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Ok I have an appt next Wednesday at a Ford dealer 8am to flash me a new stock file and strategy. Brad says he can tune me in HPTuners too. Bc once I go HP I can’t go back and forth between SCT and HP. So this is good. Ryan said call him Wednesday am and he will be on stand by for my stock file and supply me a base map to drive it home
 

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Ok I have an appt next Wednesday at a Ford dealer 8am to flash me a new stock file and strategy. Brad says he can tune me in HPTuners too. Bc once I go HP I can’t go back and forth between SCT and HP. So this is good. Ryan said call him Wednesday am and he will be on stand by for my stock file and supply me a base map to drive it home
I have to ask , if GUC is the latest calibration and you flashed that with FORScan, why go to a dealer to flash it again.

Also, both AU7A-14D204-GUB and GUC are available to download from motorcraftservice.com. You should be able to install either with FORScan.

For your convenience, both files are attached.
 

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So from what I have gathered and logical assumption is this decision is based on SCT tuners own forums.

When you use an SCT X4 to “return to stock,” it flashes back the stock file it originally pulled from the car (or a Ford stock file from SCT’s database).

If your PCM has been updated by Ford (GUB → GUC), SCT might still be putting back the old GUB-based file, which no longer matches what Ford expects for his PCM.

This mismatch can confuse HP Tuners and cause read/flash errors — especially if there’s a checksum or OS mismatch.

“Return to Stock” isn’t guaranteed to match the dealer’s current calibration.

He needs the dealership to overwrite the ECU every bit of the changes from SCT that aren't matching what HP is expecting. Our ECU gets a new hash for its Strategy Code.

I do agree you would think we can lay down a fresh file from Forscan using those attached files is my guess but. not from the SCT.

Here are some links:

HP Tuners says: x7F errors usually mean the car was previously tuned or read is blocked — a dealer reflash + fresh stock read fixes that most of the time.

SCT says: Always return to stock before a dealer update or the device can get locked — shows why getting a fresh factory file is the safest way to swap platforms.
 
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I have to ask , if GUC is the latest calibration and you flashed that with FORScan, why go to a dealer to flash it again.

Also, both AU7A-14D204-GUB and GUC are available to download from motorcraftservice.com. You should be able to install either with FORScan.

For your convenience, both files are attached.
So from what I have gathered and logical assumption is this decision is based on SCT tuners own forums.

When you use an SCT X4 to “return to stock,” it flashes back the stock file it originally pulled from the car (or a Ford stock file from SCT’s database).

If your PCM has been updated by Ford (GUB → GUC), SCT might still be putting back the old GUB-based file, which no longer matches what Ford expects for his PCM.

This mismatch can confuse HP Tuners and cause read/flash errors — especially if there’s a checksum or OS mismatch.

“Return to Stock” isn’t guaranteed to match the dealer’s current calibration.

He needs the dealership to overwrite the ECU every bit of the changes from SCT that aren't matching what HP is expecting. Our ECU gets a new hash for its Strategy Code.

I do agree you would think we can lay down a fresh file from Forscan using those attached files is my guess but. not from the SCT.

Here are some links:

HP Tuners says: x7F errors usually mean the car was previously tuned or read is blocked — a dealer reflash + fresh stock read fixes that most of the time.

SCT says: Always return to stock before a dealer update or the device can get locked — shows why getting a fresh factory file is the safest way to swap platforms.
The process has been exhausting. The problem isn’t my PCM. It’s happy to communicate with both SCT, Forscan and HPTuners. The issue is the HPTuners software. It is considered to be picky. The OS is supported with HPTuners for both GUB and GUC. All GUC is, is a distinction to show it has the TSB update for the transmission.

HPTuners software wants nothing but a clean stock file. It can detect it’s been tuned if it’s been tuned even when it’s been flashed back to stock. It’s throwing timed out and unsupported messages bc of that. It’s not low voltage, it’s not from messing up their manual ignition sequence confirmation buttons you have to press. That function is auto detected with the SCT device devices which are indirect comparison known for being user-friendly and seamless operation. Whereas the HP tuners software puts everything on the user and it’s manual confirmations

Unbeknownst to me, I am in the middle of a tune war. SCT VS HPTuners. I cannot switch back-and-forth freely if I want to try HB tuners I need an absolute clean stock file from the information that I was able to find this is linked to the X4 device the BDX device and I think there’s one more it doesn’t mention the livelink device. That’s why I was under the impression I would need to go to a Ford dealer and have them hook me up to their servers and flash me a fresh new stock file and strategy so that the HPT software would be happy and read it once I do this. I’m now forced to Stick with HP tuners however, if I want to go back to SET their software in my PCM are totally cool with that so that will be a seamless transition back.

So are you telling me I can flash the TSB updated strategy myself with for scan because if that’s true I will very happily do that myself then deal with going to the Ford dealer, but I’m not sure that we’re talking about the same thing because at the Ford dealer, they need both of my keys Because I’m literally getting a new stock file with a completely different new strategy that they have to program my keys with the pats system
 

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Think of HP tuners as software with an attitude it’s picky essentially because my PCM has worked with SCT it’s like it’s being judgmental and thinks that it smells funny and then once I completely cleanse my PCM and get it smelling good again only then does it wanna play but when I play with it, I have to stick with it or it’ll lock me out again so as the consumer just a very idea of that goes against my belief that the ultimate control should be in my hands only as the owner
 

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Meant to say the livewire device there is no mention of users reporting that leaving a fingerprint on the stock file. So it seems, though without a doubt that the HP tuners data logging as far as superior essentially offering vision into blind spots that the SCT data logging has and the best part about that is you do not need to read the stock file to date a lot it’ll freely date, log without it being Linked to the PCM, but to to tune it with HP tuners it’s like a whole can of worms if it’s been tuned before to get it to pair up.
 

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So from what I have gathered and logical assumption is this decision is based on SCT tuners own forums.

When you use an SCT X4 to “return to stock,” it flashes back the stock file it originally pulled from the car (or a Ford stock file from SCT’s database).

If your PCM has been updated by Ford (GUB → GUC), SCT might still be putting back the old GUB-based file, which no longer matches what Ford expects for his PCM.

This mismatch can confuse HP Tuners and cause read/flash errors — especially if there’s a checksum or OS mismatch.

“Return to Stock” isn’t guaranteed to match the dealer’s current calibration.
I'm certainly no expert on tuners but, I 'm pretty sure that SCT only reads and restores the original calibration from the PCM. IOW, it reads GUB, it restores GUB, it reads GUC, it restores GUC. It doesn't connect to SCT servers and download anything. Not saying SCT never connects to an SCT server for other reasons.
 

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So are you telling me I can flash the TSB updated strategy myself with for scan because if that’s true I will very happily do that myself then deal with going to the Ford dealer, but I’m not sure that we’re talking about the same thing because at the Ford dealer, they need both of my keys Because I’m literally getting a new stock file with a completely different new strategy that they have to program my keys with the pats system
AFAIK, if you have the file from motorcraftservice.com you have the same file that the dealer would use. FORScan should program exactly the same as the dealer. I think the part about 2 keys is BS but, if true, FORScan should guide you thru it. I always try to avoid the dealer. What have you got to lose?
 

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AFAIK, if you have the file from motorcraftservice.com you have the same file that the dealer would use. FORScan should program exactly the same as the dealer. I think the part about 2 keys is BS but, if true, FORScan should guide you thru it. I always try to avoid the dealer. What have you got to lose?
Nothing. I did start a support ticket with SCT. They just sent me instructions on how to send them my stock file using the Derive Device updater. They’re helping me get a clean stock file.

I agree I do not want to go to the dealer
 

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I’m glad I started a support ticket with SCT. First support seems to ask generic questions, fishing to make sure you’re not tying to get them to do anything with emissions. Questions like, where is the vehicle registered, what modifications does it have specifically exhaust modifications. I laughed and sent them all of my modifications. Then I was thinking about it and ….ok are they thinking I’m altering emissions? I sent them a quick response before hearing back, it’s a race car man. My question has nothing to do with emissions readiness check. Please stay on task. My question was specifically about if the stock file has an imprint of a tune lock left on it bc I’m trying to read the stock file for HP Tuners and I’m troubleshooting why it won’t read it. Reply with a clear answer or I will not respond.

I was very blunt at the end. The reason being first they responded with asking vehicle info from the device. I sent them that. Their next response (waited a day for it) was asking about modifications. After going with the HP tuners support 1 reply/day I am annoyed. So with SCT I was thinking I’ve waited 3 days and I’ve been asked questions but now I have request bc all the the questions have nothing to do with whether or not it tune locks the stock file or not. So be clear in your next response or I quit…..basically.

A day goes by. I figure I’m getting the cold treatment now that I said what I said. Whatever.

Day after that I see a response. It’s clear instructions on how to send them my device info and pull my stock file in .BET and send it to them. I respond with thank you very much. And they respond with, no worries!

Sweet. So what are they doing. They didn’t confirm nor deny it’s tune locked but the path I’m going down, to send them all that info means it is tune locked. So I had to put all this info in to the internet genie to ask what are they doing and what happens next.

They get my device info, and stock tune file in their .BET file. They are preparing to remotely unlock my stock file. What happens next is I will get a response for me to plug my device into Device Updater. When I update, I will get sent a special update just for my specific device. I then will need to connect the device to my car (that’s currently flashed back to stock) and when I do my X4 will prompt me special security unlock instructions for me to follow the prompts. This will unlock my PCM stock file. Then I can read the stock file with HP Tuners RTD4 device and TDN app.

No trip to the dealer! SCT with the assist! If this is a tune war I’d say it’s
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I’m glad I started a support ticket with SCT. First support seems to ask generic questions, fishing to make sure you’re not tying to get them to do anything with emissions. Questions like, where is the vehicle registered, what modifications does it have specifically exhaust modifications. I laughed and sent them all of my modifications. Then I was thinking about it and ….ok are they thinking I’m altering emissions? I sent them a quick response before hearing back, it’s a race car man. My question has nothing to do with emissions readiness check. Please stay on task. My question was specifically about if the stock file has an imprint of a tune lock left on it bc I’m trying to read the stock file for HP Tuners and I’m troubleshooting why it won’t read it. Reply with a clear answer or I will not respond.

I was very blunt at the end. The reason being first they responded with asking vehicle info from the device. I sent them that. Their next response (waited a day for it) was asking about modifications. After going with the HP tuners support 1 reply/day I am annoyed. So with SCT I was thinking I’ve waited 3 days and I’ve been asked questions but now I have request bc all the the questions have nothing to do with whether or not it tune locks the stock file or not. So be clear in your next response or I quit…..basically.

A day goes by. I figure I’m getting the cold treatment now that I said what I said. Whatever.

Day after that I see a response. It’s clear instructions on how to send them my device info and pull my stock file in .BET and send it to them. I respond with thank you very much. And they respond with, no worries!

Sweet. So what are they doing. They didn’t confirm nor deny it’s tune locked but the path I’m going down, to send them all that info means it is tune locked. So I had to put all this info in to the internet genie to ask what are they doing and what happens next.

They get my device info, and stock tune file in their .BET file. They are preparing to remotely unlock my stock file. What happens next is I will get a response for me to plug my device into Device Updater. When I update, I will get sent a special update just for my specific device. I then will need to connect the device to my car (that’s currently flashed back to stock) and when I do my X4 will prompt me special security unlock instructions for me to follow the prompts. This will unlock my PCM stock file. Then I can read the stock file with HP Tuners RTD4 device and TDN app.

No trip to the dealer! SCT with the assist! If this is a tune war I’d say it’s
SCT 5
HP tuners 0
Might I add that my post the other day said that from HP that error means a SCT tune lock and they can't get access. My thoughts are this.... Too often people are bringing their cars into shops the shop guys check the revision and brick the computers so they are protecting the ECU with their lock. Just my two cents - glad they are getting you past the issue.

SCT is much better at support for sure. HP you are an island to yourself and left to deal with the forums and other community members, which is never good when you are stuck.
 

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It’s a .bef file extension. I said it was .bet.

Interesting device info. 107 flashes?

Device Name: X4
Device Part#: 7015P (FORD)
Serial Number: X404191834E82
Firmware Version: 1.1.1.20 build 49
MB SCM: d380342
Hardware Version: Rev J
Preloaded Tuning: Disabled Custom Tuning: Supported
Restrictions: Preloaded Tune Support Disabled (*)
Tune Revision: 1.145PFX4P
Market: US
Unlocks Left: 5
Married Status: Unmarried
Total Flashes: 107
Support Info:
B020.2-4D23.4-B020.2-4D23-2003-4640-2004-2003-4640-2004.2-4D23-20 03.2-4B18-2003-4D23-2003.6-4B18-2003-489A-4646-4642-4500-2004-4D2
3.2-2003.3
VBatt: 1.0
VB Version: 1.21 build 1
Compiled: May 7 2025, 11:53:03
Wifi Version: 0.0
FL MB VB:
2 0
EEC Type: 65535
MB FW 1020049
MB BL 2004
MB FB 1011
VB FW 1021001
VB BL 2000
VB FB 1005
AB FW 3002043
AB BL 2006
AC FB 967295

Send this and the stock file in their .bef extension. Waiting for a response.
 

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@Texas Marauder how exactly do I attempt to upload the OS? I downloaded you GUC file and I also downloaded direct from Ford my VIN As Built data. I tried to upload it but wasn’t sure from where. In doing so I noticed Forscan monitors battery voltage. It dropped down to 12.1 at one point on a tender. Major acknowledgment…21 pound Braille battery not ideal. It’s basically max 12.5 at first but I had ignition on with a battery tender for over 15 min and it’s way low at 12.1 volts.

So the GEM (General Electric Module) in my car maybe that thing needs 13.5 volts. Maybe HP Tuner software for the stock file read…car thinks it’s entering some legit protocol and I think it needs a minimum 13.2 volts to enter communication mode? No f clue. I bought a flash power supply that I will be able to supply whatever volts I want. I’d like to try this again with a clean and stable 13.5 volts. I should have the power supply Tuesday hopefully.

Brad sent me 2 of the same tunes, from scratch and I plumbed the external gates back how they were before but with the solenoid VTA. Brad didn’t think the new BL5 strategy tune would load but I tried it first and it was successful! Went out for a drive and ……we’re back! Shifted as it should and full throttle on the shifts! I only did a couple mulit rolling gear pulls. No throttle cut, no violent wheel hop, it spiked 18 on the 16 tune on the hit, but came in clean at 16 to 3rd gear no spike and full throttle.

Maybe I put HP Tuners on the back burner for 2026. Idk. But I am thoroughly exhausted mentally from it all. SCT unlocked my processor and saved my stock file no problem and with only 12.5 volts. Crazy HP Tuners can’t.
 

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The GUC.zip file should be saved in your Documents/Calibrations Files folder. I don't remember if FORScan automatically unzips the .vhf file or not. Just make sure the GUC.vhf file is in that folder.

You need beta version 2.4.19 to program modules.

Do not let it drop below 12 volts. FORScan will hang and possibly brick the module. A battery maintainer @13.5 volts is a good idea. Also, keep your laptop on a charger.

On my 2016, during programming, the fans come on high. I pull the fan relays when programming. I think the 2010 fans work differently.
 

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The GUC.zip file should be saved in your Documents/Calibrations Files folder. I don't remember if FORScan automatically unzips the .vhf file or not. Just make sure the GUC.vhf file is in that folder.

You need beta version 2.4.19 to program modules.

Do not let it drop below 12 volts. FORScan will hang and possibly brick the module. A battery maintainer @13.5 volts is a good idea. Also, keep your laptop on a charger.

On my 2016, during programming, the fans come on high. I pull the fan relays when programming. I think the 2010 fans work differently.
My fans are gone now I have a manual single fan. I’ll have to check my version I have 2.4 idk if it’s .19.
 

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From Brad: Just heading out the door will text you later but damn man that log looked good. I’m shocked it flashed and I don’t understand that honestly but that’s a good thing..that boost spike is minimal..so much of that log looked better and cooperated..not even sure if it was all my doing…maybe it’s better also because all the electronics are happy together? I took a quick look last night.

My take is, basically I think we’re finally where we wanted to be to start tuning.
 

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Update on the car it’s currently getting the PCV VTA redone due to excessive crank case pressure from clogged filters. The problem with a lot of race setups apparently is a valve cover connected to a big empty can and no baffling, the filter(s) get saturated with oil eventually and if not regularly cleaned drastically reduce their ability to vent. Pretty much read this exact info right off from Motion Raceworks website for their Top Loader billet internally baffled catch can.

I have been noticing my filters for the PCV VTA setup have been misting oil and unfortunately it just didn’t register to me to clean them. I’d look inside and the big empty cans are just about empty still. Some pooling but not even enough to show on the glass level for viewing. I expected them to become oily. Man looking at it now what an embarrassing realization that for 700-ish miles I’ve never cleaned them. So what happened is of no surprise now that I think about it.

I drove the car to a job site 50 min one way. About 25 min or so all highway. When I arrived at the job site I popped the hood and they were misting pretty good. Since they are located where the intake normally goes the speed (80 mph) and duration (overall 50 min drive) led to misting out of the hood vent behind them. Again it was just not registering to me. Something was wrong but I wasn’t thinking about them being clogged bc I can actually see the vapors coming out when it’s idling or when I come to a complete stop, I’ll see the vapors come out of that hood vent above and behind them. They were misting more and more oil but they were still venting. I guess that’s why I didn’t think they were clogged. On one hand they were still venting but on the other hand ….WOT….not so much.

pics from the job site IMG 6028IMG 6032IMG 6029IMG 6030IMG 6026

I head back home at the end of the day and my plan for this day was to try to get in for an alignment at a shop but found out during the day they were too booked to fit me in. I wanted to do a full 1/4 test on Brads new tune and I thought let me drive the car to work, hopefully I can drive straight to a shop for an alignment from there and really let this tune mature some before full on testing. I wanted to get the best possible results and to do that I thought let it mature real good instead of my usual 15 min and let’s rip.

I’m headed home now and wanting to give it some mini WOT pulls here and there to feel it out. I end up being a Ram TRX and I can see the driver checking me out in his side mirror. We get to the main road where the speed limit is 50 in Stowe Vermont and he takes off and I’m in pursuit, my first mini pull. It went to shift into 3rd and loss of power LIMP MODE. Man really? Kind of embarrassing but more concerning than embarrassing. So there isn’t too many good places to pull over so the car is running and I’m maintaining the speed limit and this goes on for about 3-4 min of it stuck in limp mode so drivability sucks and it sounds like it’s running bad. I find place and pull in. Shut it down. Check for codes. A whole bunch as usual (Limp Mode also cause collateral codes) and I take pics of them. Clear them. Start it back up, all is well. I look under the hood and lots of oil coming out of the PCV VTA filters.

I was still about 35 min away from home and still did my interstate driving. Everything was fine even under mid throttle pulls, for the most part took it easy and no WOT. When I got off the interstate and came to a stop waiting in traffic I started to smell burning oil. I turned and went down the road to a gas station and got out to check. The light smoke was coming from somewhere behind the right side valve cover. I get in and just want to make it back home.

I make it home and put it up on my lift. No clue what I’ll find. I had oil splatter on the exhaust manifold, on my passenger axle, drops on 2 exhaust manifold bolts under the manifold, a drip on top of the right side valve cover, but nothing appeared to have come out from the valve cover seal. I looked and scratched my head for about an hour with no visible leak source and no active leak from anything. Like wtf.

I had help from Matt Pohnan my engine builder and I start pulling spark plugs. Started up front. I take off cylinder 6 ignition coil, it’s cover in oil on the back side. Oil pooled on top of the spark plug IMG 6042
Same thing for cylinder 5. Cylinder 4 was bone dry. Now that mystery oil splatter isn’t a mystery anymore. The drop of oil on top of the rear valve cover was near cylinder 3. Matt Pohnan’s verdict. Excessive CC pressure made its way out of the plug seals of the valve cover and pooled on top of the plugs. On the front of the motor the coil seals held the oil in. Cylinder 3 not so much. He wanted to look at the plugs and unfortunately it’s not after a pull or anything so they’re not accurate at all. Then the subject of what type of o2 sensor does the car use turned into another rabbit hole. I’ll get to that next. What I did was I have removed my catch tanks. The tanks have no baffling and the filter acted as the baffle and vent. I never cleaned them. I think this issue is the sole reason for the first limp mode and this recent one. I just want a whole new setup so I bought 2 of Motion Raceworks catch cans. The ones Cleetus demonstrates about half a cup of oil in a line and uses compressed air to send it to the can and nothing comes out and the filter stays dry. IMG 6103That’s what I need. They are small enough for me to mount them to the passenger side so the hoses are very short and upgrading to -12AN. That’s on the way. One for each valve cover. A real solid solution. No more excessive CC pressure….ever again.

Internet searching says we have narrowband upstream O2’s so that created a big debate. Final verdict? I pulled one. 5 wires that wideband, serial numbers identify them as Bosch LSU 4.9 wideband oxygen sensors. I’m moving mine. I want the most accurate readings and I guess these are very common and popular so high quality extension harnesses are a thing. I wanted to try O2’s after the manifold but after going down a rabbit hole I want to put them after the turbo and I already preplanned this from day one. I just need the extension harnesses. And a local shop I guess makes them. IMG 6073IMG 6072IMG 6071

So I swapped my sensors are plugs around IMG 6077IMG 6081IMG 6074IMG 6075IMG 6088

Brad made me a new tune and he tuned out my codes so that should also help a lot bc the ECU was always seeing those faults and it just leads to ECU intervention. Like all the EVAP, PCV and deleted OEM fuel tank, AC and deleted steering wheel codes.

Hoping to be back up and running STRONG mid week next week
 

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VEMS tuning FB messenger they responded to me today. They are going to build me custom LSU 4.9 extension harnesses in their super high end wire and loom. One 2’ and one 3’. I asked if the length mattered and if so make it 2 (3’) and they said no the length doesn’t matter at all. Interference isn’t a thing and it’s good I put bungs after the turbo already.

I’ve been suspecting I’m running rich and now we will know the true AFR. So glad I thought ahead and had this already half in motion. I was told extensions cause interference…..yeah? Tell that to the custom builders of those extensions that build them up to 8’ or more, see what they say. They probably won’t say anything bc they’ll be laughing too hard to talk.
 

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