It's an issue with the pre 06 manual and automatic transmission cars and 06-07 manual cars. Also it's not the angle gear that's the source of trouble. It's a coupler gear made of soft metal that mates to the shaft of the angle gear. The coupler gear splines wear causing loss of awd and eventually may damage the shaft of the angle gear. The 06-07 automatics have a different angle (some call bevel) gear and a hardened coupler gear. There appears to be an XC90 diesel in Europe available with a manual transmission that has a hardened coupler. This is being investigated now as possible replacement.
14.2 -Why so slow?
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It's an issue with the pre 06 manual and automatic transmission cars and 06-07 manual cars. Also it's not the angle gear that's the source of trouble. It's a coupler gear made of soft metal that mates to the shaft of the angle gear. The coupler gear splines wear causing loss of awd and eventually may damage the shaft of the angle gear. The 06-07 automatics have a different angle (some call bevel) gear and a hardened coupler gear. There appears to be an XC90 diesel in Europe available with a manual transmission that has a hardened coupler. This is being investigated now as possible replacement.
RonPorter
SHO Club of America
C&D has always been pretty good with representative, real-world times. IIRC (I have the copy at home), they had 5.2 0-60 and a 15.2 quarter-mile in their original '89 test. That was a pretty strong car. I would say that a 15.5 was more typical for a stock MTX car.
RonPorter
SHO Club of America
I remember the 15.2 1/4, but spending too mch tme with the Sube folks got me the 5.2!!
The number "6.5" is floatng on my radar screen now. Gotta be someone out here with the 11/88 C&D with the test handy.
IM Buddy8
Active Member
Ugh... my senior project has the quote from that magazine I don't want to say what I think it is but if I get the file on this pc anytime soon I'll make sure to post the quote.
SHO1
Coke Is It!
It's 12/88 and a 6.7 0-60 and 15.1 1/4 @ 95mph. And the mag. only cost $2.75, what are they now about $5-6?
RonPorter
SHO Club of America
Thanks Duwayne,
Who knows what it costs at the newstand? I've been subscribing
since the mid '70s, and an annual subscription is like $15.
Mr Anonymous
Tire Wall
Holy shit!
I didn't know SHO1 was DuWayne!
See, you can learn something new every day!
SHO1
Coke Is It!
Yepper, that's me! Don't think Ron ever knew directly. but if you know me from the conventions and know what vehicles I've had there, especially the last two, and have read a few posts of mine, you can tell by my location and sig. :wave: That's basically how I figured out sometime between K-zoo and Seattle that you were Mr. Anonymous. 
Either way, I bet the diff in cost of the new mags vs old is almost identical to the diff in cost of a new SHO vs old as is almost everything else from early '90's to now. Of course we'd all like it to be cheaper, but based on that it really isn't priced that far out there as many seem to think, not to mention it's also right there with it's most direct competition.
Either way, I bet the diff in cost of the new mags vs old is almost identical to the diff in cost of a new SHO vs old as is almost everything else from early '90's to now. Of course we'd all like it to be cheaper, but based on that it really isn't priced that far out there as many seem to think, not to mention it's also right there with it's most direct competition.
RonPorter
SHO Club of America
Holy shit!
I didn't know SHO1 was DuWayne!
See, you can learn something new every day!
I figred it out quite a while ago after I saw his SRT-10 in Kazoo!
SHO1
Coke Is It!
That's about what I figured. You knew I had a red '99 and elec. red '89, if you remebered it from cheesefest '03, but the 10 is pretty much a dead giveaway. I could very well be the only one in the world with an '89 SHO and a Ram SRT-10, but am almost certainly the only one with an "electric" red '89 and a 10. 
RonPorter
SHO Club of America
That's about what I figured. You knew I had a red '99 and elec. red '89, if you remebered it from cheesefest '03, but the 10 is pretty much a dead giveaway. I could very well be the only one in the world with an '89 SHO and a Ram SRT-10, but am almost certainly the only one with an "electric" red '89 and a 10.
Now that you mention it, I remember the red '99.
I still recall the two-tone Gen 1 you had years ago.
SHO1
Coke Is It!
Yea, it was legendary wasn't it? That's the one that bone stock beat Mark Hlady's modded on the dyno a few months before SHOklahoma. That seemed to be all over the V8 world and he was getting a lot of crap for it, think it still came up in WI. I had no idea how big a deal it was 'til SHOklahoma. I heard it from you as soon as you saw that I had it there. Still got the motor w/only 62k.
Yep, the 2 tone was my 1st. Was going to be winter beater in '03 w/black one for summer, but then the red one came along out of nowhere in May and I retired the 2-tone as it was already pretty rusty and didn't have room for 4 at the time, so the '99 became the "winter beater". '99 is what the SRT-10 replaced.
Yep, the 2 tone was my 1st. Was going to be winter beater in '03 w/black one for summer, but then the red one came along out of nowhere in May and I retired the 2-tone as it was already pretty rusty and didn't have room for 4 at the time, so the '99 became the "winter beater". '99 is what the SRT-10 replaced.
15.1 @ 95 is insane as far as trap speeds are concerned. My friends old 93 3000GT ran a 13.2 @ 104, but that's also really just a good car off the line. I'd love to pull equal trap speeds to it, even if it is a little quicker off the line
1995SHO9
FLEES ARE COMIN
Exactly man. I'd take an STI over this supposed "SHO" anyday. Cheaper, faster and built better and I'm going to take a guess that the STI's are way more realiable than this fake SHO.
~Johnathon~
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RonPorter
SHO Club of America
15.1 @ 95 is insane as far as trap speeds are concerned. My friends old 93 3000GT ran a 13.2 @ 104, but that's also really just a good car off the line. I'd love to pull equal trap speeds to it, even if it is a little quicker off the line
It's typical of a SHO in the quarter. Relativerly poor 60' times, but it runs strong after that.
That said, I believe that particular '89 that C&D tested was a "prepped" example. Not that it had anything special, but I believe that it was not a typical off-the-line car.
SHOs needed a good 10K miles to loosen up. And we didn't see times like that until years after the came out. As time went on, guys like Dave Garber ran 14.6x at 96-97 with stock cars, but his was one of the "good" ones.
Mr Anonymous
Tire Wall
That's what I get for not paying enough attention to signatures on the forum!Yepper, that's me! Don't think Ron ever knew directly. but if you know me from the conventions and know what vehicles I've had there, especially the last two, and have read a few posts of mine, you can tell by my location and sig. :wave: That's basically how I figured out sometime between K-zoo and Seattle that you were Mr. Anonymous.
I actually think we first met in either Indy or Memphis, but it wasn't until you were parked next to me in the 10 in the pits at the drags in K-Zoo that we introduced ourselves.
Have you driven either car? I know the answer WRT to the 2010 SHO because nobody who isn't a Ford employee has yet. Other than base HP and TQ numbers, no other performance specs have been divulged yet for the new car so nobody can make any knowledgeable statements comparing performance to other vehicles until then.
How can you judge the build quality of a car you've never seen? How many new Fords built in the last 10 years have you owned?
This isn't directed at you specifically Patti, but it's funny to see how people who have never seen the car in person nevermind driven one have drawn conclusions WRT to what the car will be like.
RonPorter
SHO Club of America
Ford has better build quality than Subaru.
Agai, totally different kinds of vehicles. All they have in common is 4-doors and they have turbo engines.
If you wanna talk "fake" SHOs, to me, any SHO with an ATX was a "fake SHO".
But realitues have changed. With it's potential performance and AWD, it appears to me to be the best SHO ever built.
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somedude_001
SHO Member
I would have to agree. the MTX is so much more fun to drive, but like you sid you definitely can't deny the potential of a AWD turbo car. only time will tell.
mofosho
New Member
Interesting to see a lot of the old people still around. Remember the STI is a small car and the new SHO is a full size sedan, you should be comparing it to the 300c or the new CTS/DTS.
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