14.2 -Why so slow?

[RonPorter]

I'll say it because nobody else has, do you honestly think they're going to build a sedan that's faster outta the box than their "head liner" car the mustang gt/cobras? Look at the quantity of factory cars produced that stock run 14 sec quarters...it's pretty slim, and usually it has shelby's name or a snake on it. Not saying it can't do better, but they aren't going to release a car that is a race prepped vehicle without a race prepped vehicle logo and price tag @ 60k+. This is a SPORTS SEDAN they're building this to sell, not be a museum piece. If they put out some porsche killer, guess what, it's gonna cost porsche prices and have high porsche insurance...don't forget guys, it's still a Taurus...it's just to edge into the AWD sport sedan market that scooby and audi's are doing, for less. I'm not saying it can't be tuned/built to do more, but they'd be idiots to make it any hotter out of the box.

That line of thinking has been urban legend for at least 40 years.

If they can build a hotter sedan that more people buy, especially in this market, they WILL do it. Mustang isn't even in the same market.

And it WILL clean a new Mustang GT in the quarter. Once the first mag tests come out, interest in the SHO will increase.

 

[mustangracer91]

That line of thinking has been urban legend for at least 40 years.

If they can build a hotter sedan that more people buy, especially in this market, they WILL do it. Mustang isn't even in the same market.

And it WILL clean a new Mustang GT in the quarter. Once the first mag tests come out, interest in the SHO will increase.

I had the pleasure of working for audi for quite a while, and durring my time with that company they built probably one of the most amazing "sport sedans" called the rs6. It was a 300hp v8, then they dual turbo'd and dual fmic'd it...w/awd and full leather, roughly 450 hp. amazing car that ate zo6's like they were pintos...it was a 2003 model, and I know for sure they could still be bought new from the dealership as late as oct 2005...possibly later, but that was when I left the company. Everyone loved them, but nobody could afford the 70k+ price tag and the full coverage insurance. Towards the end they were selling them for less than 50k just to get them off the lot.

 

[yamahaSHO]

turbos do just fine up top. with the motor revving fast there's plenty of high speed exhaust gas to keep things moving along.

I take it you haven't yet learned about compressor maps and efficiency. Those turbos, although there are two of them, will quickly run out of steam up top. I'm guessing that they're nearly out of their efficiency range in stock trim. They can only spin so fast and the faster they go, the more they just turn into hot-air blow driers.

 

[shobote]

The new SHO is not FWD biased; the engineers said the AWD is RWD biased so it should have outsanding bite from a standstill. The downside of the Haldex design will be more on the road course and autocross, where the extra weight will push into corners, as seen on the Fusion sport that uses the exact same setup and was found by several reviewers to handle worse that either the smaller V6 or 4 cylinder FWD versions.
There should be a lot of room for adding power to this coservatively tuned TT setup; e.g, the Nissan V6 puts out just a bit less HP than the TT SHO using a NA 3.7 that does not even have direct injection.

 

[93rev2sev]

Jason, is that because of thermal dynamics, or fluid dynamics?

 

[kikkinasphalt]

im sure there's some 10ths to be had in a good tune.


and quit your ********...

be glad its back.

 

[38SHO]

this thread should be locked until we get some real numbers

then we can start gouging each others eyes out! we are speculating on stuff nobody knows about.......

 

[hawkeye18]

well either that or it should be moved to NebSHO.

Also, 93Rev2Sev: YOU'RE NOT SAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry:

 

[RonPorter]

I had the pleasure of working for audi for quite a while, and durring my time with that company they built probably one of the most amazing "sport sedans" called the rs6. It was a 300hp v8, then they dual turbo'd and dual fmic'd it...w/awd and full leather, roughly 450 hp. amazing car that ate zo6's like they were pintos...it was a 2003 model, and I know for sure they could still be bought new from the dealership as late as oct 2005...possibly later, but that was when I left the company. Everyone loved them, but nobody could afford the 70k+ price tag and the full coverage insurance. Towards the end they were selling them for less than 50k just to get them off the lot.

FWIW, Seth Kuiper, over on the V8 List, recently bought a used '03 RS6 for something like $25K.

He absolutely loves it, and is already looking for the tweaks that will get it into the 12s.

 

[NEp8ntballer]

I take it you haven't yet learned about compressor maps and efficiency. Those turbos, although there are two of them, will quickly run out of steam up top. I'm guessing that they're nearly out of their efficiency range in stock trim. They can only spin so fast and the faster they go, the more they just turn into hot-air blow driers.

hmmmmm. I don't remember where I read it but what they printed was that SC cars fall off on the top end while a turbo isn't good down low.

meh, you have the experience. I'll take your word for it.

 

[mustangracer91]

FWIW, Seth Kuiper, over on the V8 List, recently bought a used '03 RS6 for something like $25K.

He absolutely loves it, and is already looking for the tweaks that will get it into the 12s.

yeah, they weren't advertised very much here in the states, and they were actually built simular to a saleen mustang, they took a base model car right off the production floor and hand rebuilt with all the specialty rs6 parts, every engine wiring harness were made on car, car specific by hand. If you get an early enough model, the vin actually translated out to a 6cyl quattro...major pita to get any of the specialty parts for it, but damn...sweet ride...the speedo flies up so fast I actually mixed it up for the tach the first time I drove it.

 

[Shopower400]

If it only runs a 14.2 I think it's going to BOMB! Me personally I would much rather take my money and get an STI that I know will run 13.0 bone stock & with some small upgrages and tuning would be runing mid 12's, for about 10k less!

 

[mustangracer91]

If it only runs a 14.2 I think it's going to BOMB! Me personally I would much rather take my money and get an STI that I know will run 13.0 bone stock & with some small upgrages and tuning would be runing mid 12's, for about 10k less!

I love that idea, unfortunately for me, I live in an area that the closest scooby dealer is 1 1/2 hours away...ford dealer = 5minutes away...

 

[yamahaSHO]

I love that idea, unfortunately for me, I live in an area that the closest scooby dealer is 1 1/2 hours away...ford dealer = 5minutes away...

Thus far, I've never purchased a car within 400 miles of my home In fact, I've never purchased a car in the current state I've lived in at the time.

 

[mustangracer91]

I don't have any qualms about where I purchase one from either, I just want an oem parts supply source for some dumb widget that I eventually will break, feckin' autozone..., or when I finally do something stupid with it and break something I can't figure out, I like having access to the factory books/techs.

 

[RonPorter]

If it only runs a 14.2 I think it's going to BOMB! Me personally I would much rather take my money and get an STI that I know will run 13.0 bone stock & with some small upgrages and tuning would be runing mid 12's, for about 10k less!

Base of a new STI is only $3K less than a new SHO.

Not even the same type of car. Nor the same type of buyer.

SHO buyers will be fine with the mid-high 13s that it will run. That's not the reason for a SHO purchase.

Oh, and unless you have a LOT of practice launching a manual tranny AWD car, there will be stock STIs that will lose to a stock SHO on occasion. At least until you burn through at least one clutch (and hopefully not a tranny) getting the hang of it.

 

[Brett]

If it only runs a 14.2 I think it's going to BOMB! Me personally I would much rather take my money and get an STI that I know will run 13.0 bone stock & with some small upgrages and tuning would be runing mid 12's, for about 10k less!

This comparison has been getting thrown around alot.
Its a bad comparison.

For me,
big Luxury sedan that runs high 13's > a 4 door go kart that runs low 13's


Not that the STI isnt an awesome car, would be more fun thrill wise i'd imagine, But they're not even in the same class IMO.

 

[stephen newberg]

Actually, since all of this is on estimates and not confirmed stats left, right, and center, it might be more useful to not worry about it at all until there are real numbers.

But hey, what has common sense got to do with it, eh?

pax, smn

 

[SeanMc]

Although they'll be much more consistant, I don't think that a new stock SHO will be faster than any properly driven boosted SHO with over 6 PSI.

Only time will tell, but I'm sure we'll know this summer.

Yeah, all driver. Nick is a good example of this. 6psi, he's in the 12s. But also look at his dyno graph, he hits full boost pretty early, and then it trails off.

 

[TwistedD85]

We're never going to know it's capabilities until someone here actually gets their hands on it. I'm sure with plenty of structual modification to the drivetrain lower times will easily be possible. With the torque it has it'd probably grenade the drivetrain if they did a 'neutral drop' and actually put down an impressive time.