11 second SHO.

[SHO NUT]

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Originally Posted by TT SHO PROJECT
sho shop if im not mistaken has a build up on how to get 300whp NA.

SHO shop built a 300whp NA SHO?! I never knew that... Ohh, was it the almighty 3.6??

Actually, on further review, the 2001 catalog said that a Stage IV 3.6 was expected to hit 300 WHP, but was not yet tested.

The 2001/2003 Stage III 3.6 graph shows 268 WHP.

Several combinations were advertised at 300 (or more) crank HP.

 

[SeanMc]

Actually, on further review, the 2001 catalog said that a Stage IV 3.6 was expected to hit 300 WHP, but was not yet tested.

The 2001/2003 Stage III 3.6 graph shows 268 WHP.

Several combinations were advertised at 300 (or more) crank HP.

Was that with Vadim's tune or without? TwEECer gods could probably get that higher .

 

[SHO NUT]

Was that with Vadim's tune or without? TwEECer gods could probably get that higher .

I think it's fair to say that any graph in a SHO Shop catalog was a Vadim tune

 

[SeanMc]

I think it's fair to say that any graph in a SHO Shop catalog was a Vadim tune

True.

 

[DemonNeno]

That's what I suspected. I remember their kit info, but never had seen a graph posted regarding their test results.

I think it's fair to say that any graph in a SHO Shop catalog was a Vadim tune

So fine tuned, they ate away a few of the welded cranks.

Didn't someone have a true stroker crank made that wasn't a welded unit? The 3.6 stuff kinda fell off the face of the sho world.

 

[AREA 91]

The local tech inspector at Beaver Springs Dragway claims that his relative has an 11 second SHO in Florida. He tells me about it almost every time I go to the drags. I told him that if he would post some pic's of the car, mabye some spec's on the engine/tranny/suspention mods, etc...it would be great. He said that the guy has a bunch of 11 second time slips, and I called B.S. on him. I need to see proof. He went on and on about a custom subframe/suspention mods that he has done to it, but couldn't tell me the year.:laugh_ti:

 

[SHOMurph]

The local tech inspector at Beaver Springs Dragway claims that his relative has an 11 second SHO in Florida. He tells me about it almost every time I go to the drags. I told him that if he would post some pic's of the car, mabye some spec's on the engine/tranny/suspention mods, etc...it would be great. He said that the guy has a bunch of 11 second time slips, and I called B.S. on him. I need to see proof. He went on and on about a custom subframe/suspention mods that he has done to it, but couldn't tell me the year.:laugh_ti:

oh yeah to get a SHO into the 11s you need mucho front end work done.

I bet it was a 1986 SHO!

 

[SeanMc]

oh yeah to get a SHO into the 11s you need mucho front end work done.

I bet it was a 1986 SHO!

It was a built mustang with a taurus shell. Had to be . I believe the SHO could hit the 11s, just how much do you want to spend? I think Alex is going to hit it in his ATX.

 

[SHOMurph]

It was a built mustang with a taurus shell. Had to be . I believe the SHO could hit the 11s, just how much do you want to spend? I think Alex is going to hit it in his ATX.

maybe with al bushings on the strut rods and control arms.....otherwise front end flex will hurt.

Signed,
King of Wheel Hop

 

[dohcsable]

good luck man!!!!

Andrew

 

[somedude_001]

maybe with al bushings on the strut rods and control arms.....otherwise front end flex will hurt.

Signed,
King of Wheel Hop

i don't get wheel hop. it either spins or it doesn't end of story. I can't keep strut rod bushings in my car though. the TPR ones keep splitting every couple of weeks so i'm going to try the stock rubber ones again. I think with the new gearing and a more agressive launch (same tires, and same boost) I can pull a 12.85 @110 without a problem. which will put me in the #1 spot. then i just need more power and better tires.

 

[Axianator]

but i do find this quote of 27.4# for thst stock sho injectors quite interesting does anyone else have some more insight on this?

Except for the fact that we may need to adjust the scaling values for the injector slope parameters in the V6 MTX calibration definitions, the 27.4 lb/hr figure means nothing. It has already been proven at least two times in the past by several, reputable community members that the 3.0L and 3.2L V6 SHO injectors both flow around ~24 lb/hr at 39psi rail pressure.

 

[SHO NUT]

Except for the fact that we may need to adjust the scaling values for the injector slope parameters in the V6 MTX calibration definitions, the 27.4 lb/hr figure means nothing. It has already been proven at least two times in the past by several, reputable community members that the 3.0L and 3.2L V6 SHO injectors both flow around ~24 lb/hr at 39psi rail pressure.

Is that data posted somewhere? I'd like to check it out, especially if it has data on flow vs. PW, like I did here:

http://www.shonutperformance.com/inj.pdf

To add more fun to the mix, the MTX SHO MAF curve is quite rich (high interpreted flow for a given voltage), compared to the curve for the same MAF as used in the 5.0L. Thus it makes sense that the injector scalar would be high (lean) to balance that out. I once tried plugging in a 5.0L MAF curve with a 24 lb/hr high slope, and though the car ran fine in steady state, the tip-in was all messed up. This tells me that the factory MTX SHO programming is a bit of a hack, with one error (injector sizing) requiring many other compensating adjustments (MAF curve etc. etc.), or vice versa - it's all inter-related.

http://www.shonutperformance.com/allMAFs.pdf

 

[SHOMurph]

i don't get wheel hop. it either spins or it doesn't end of story. I can't keep strut rod bushings in my car though. the TPR ones keep splitting every couple of weeks so i'm going to try the stock rubber ones again. I think with the new gearing and a more agressive launch (same tires, and same boost) I can pull a 12.85 @110 without a problem. which will put me in the #1 spot. then i just need more power and better tires.

With stickier tires you'll get wheel hop otherwise you'll have to live with wheel spin.

Wheel spin is actually better than sticker tires. You won't break stuff then...just spin and feather the throttle.

 

[somedude_001]

With stickier tires you'll get wheel hop otherwise you'll have to live with wheel spin.

Wheel spin is actually better than sticker tires. You won't break stuff then...just spin and feather the throttle.

the R compuonds (kumo victoracer) sound like you are ripping velcro apart when I launch after properly heating them. I am looking forward to some difficulties. the only hill i've encountered thus far is transmision failure and killing a whole bunch of tires.

 

[Power Surge]

Is that data posted somewhere? I'd like to check it out, especially if it has data on flow vs. PW, like I did here:

http://www.shonutperformance.com/inj.pdf

To add more fun to the mix, the MTX SHO MAF curve is quite rich (high interpreted flow for a given voltage), compared to the curve for the same MAF as used in the 5.0L. Thus it makes sense that the injector scalar would be high (lean) to balance that out. I once tried plugging in a 5.0L MAF curve with a 24 lb/hr high slope, and though the car ran fine in steady state, the tip-in was all messed up. This tells me that the factory MTX SHO programming is a bit of a hack, with one error (injector sizing) requiring many other compensating adjustments (MAF curve etc. etc.), or vice versa - it's all inter-related.

http://www.shonutperformance.com/allMAFs.pdf

A descrepancy of 3 lb/hrs in either the software or the actual injector, isn't going to affect the tuning much. So it's really just an arguement of who's wrong and who's right.

As for the MAF, keep in mind that Ford x-fer functions are created using the rest of the intake components (airbox, filter, and sometimes ducting to TB), so even though the MAF itself may be the same, the x-fer can be (and usually are) different between vehicles.

 

[somedude_001]

A descrepancy of 3 lb/hrs in either the software or the actual injector, isn't going to affect the tuning much. So it's really just an arguement of who's wrong and who's right.

As for the MAF, keep in mind that Ford x-fer functions are created using the rest of the intake components (airbox, filter, and sometimes ducting to TB), so even though the MAF itself may be the same, the x-fer can be (and usually are) different between vehicles.

don't get the impression that a lot of time was invested in tuning this engine from the factory. becasue it wasn't. the factory tune is a hack.

if your car is stock (includes exhaust and intake mods not cams or boost or LPM) go out disconnect both o2 sensors AND your maf and rip down the street your car will be faster than stock. this is my brothers secrete to his "supder beater project". a couple years ago. With no exhaust after the Y-pipe and gutted cats (stock crappy y-pipe) a short ram intake basicly consisting of 6" of rubber with a massive cummins truck K&N filter it dynoed at 201hp and 199 tq. no O2's no maf. the iat sensor was connected but seemed to make no difference. with 189K on a beat to crap engine with rod knock.

 

[SHOMurph]

don't get the impression that a lot of time was invested in tuning this engine from the factory. becasue it wasn't. the factory tune is a hack.

if your car is stock (includes exhaust and intake mods not cams or boost or LPM) go out disconnect both o2 sensors AND your maf and rip down the street your car will be faster than stock. this is my brothers secrete to his "supder beater project". a couple years ago. With no exhaust after the Y-pipe and gutted cats (stock crappy y-pipe) a short ram intake basicly consisting of 6" of rubber with a massive cummins truck K&N filter it dynoed at 201hp and 199 tq. no O2's no maf. the iat sensor was connected but seemed to make no difference. with 189K on a beat to crap engine with rod knock.

motor will go into limp mode. No bueno.

 

[somedude_001]

motor will go into limp mode. No bueno.

the dyno don't lie.

 

[SHOMurph]

the dyno don't lie.

hahahaha

I have a car trailer if you need a haul.