Car Bogs Out At Wot-please Help???

[ICEMAN007]

Maybe some of you guys here in my home state have some advice for me? Please see below. Appreciate all the help. ICEMAN007
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Hey everyone, I just bought my third SHO and after my last one, which was an automatic and delt with tranny issues all the time, it was time for another MTX. I just bought the car yesterday, a white 1993 manual 3.0 and I am having serious issues with the car when I start it up. The engine light is not on but has came on temporarily and then goes away. But in the morning, when I first start her up, she is fine at idle. But as soon as I give it a little gas, she bogs out heavily. The more I drive it after starting it up for the first time of the day, I seem to get the "bugs" out of her and the better it seems to get and the less it bogs out. BUT, no matter how long during the day I drive it, if I push the pedal down to the floor, she completely bogs out and the car starts to sparaticaly pull and the car is shifting back and forth. Due to lack of funds right now, I am looking for your guys opinions on whats going on? Otherwise I would just take it in right now and pay the $90 engine diagnostic. I mean, I suppose it could be a few things. Maybe a bad o2 sensor, bad plugs and/or wires, bad fuel injector(s), bad fuel pump or even maybe the fuel filter. If anyone could give me any insight to this major issue I am having, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, ICEMAN007


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#2 Today, 01:12 PM
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First thing i would check is fuel pressure. Low pressure will cause a bogging sensation at WOT and higher rpm speeds. Also, pull the codes and let us know what errors come up. That will give us a better idea of what might be going on.
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#3 Today, 01:17 PM
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agreed... pull the codes. You don't need to pay someone 90 bucks to tell you whats wrong, all you need is a paper clip and a few minutes of your time.
www.shophoenixproject.com is where you will find the code retrival information as well as code descriptions...

As far as the problems go, and just going by the hip(without codes), i'd say throw on some new plugs and wires if you can (the wires that is).
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#4 Today, 01:21 PM
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Ya, I wondered about the fuel pressure. I just wonder if by the more I drive it, the better it gets, if that means anything? Granted the problem doesn't completely go away. I am not so much a very good mechanic. I am not sure how to pull up the codes on this car let alone check/ fix the fuel pressure if that were the problem. Is there a cheap, easy way of getting the codes? I am sorry guys for the lack of info, I realize I am not going to get much help without giving you any codes or hard facts to go off of. If I could get any advice or help to getting any codes that come up or how to check for other possible problems, I would love to do it myself with a little guidence. And all your help is truly greatly appreciated. Thanks so much, ICEMAN007


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#5 Today, 02:03 PM
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I'd clean the MAF and check codes.
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#6 Today, 02:04 PM
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Ok guys, here we go. The list of codes was so long, I had to get a new pen 'cuz I ran out of ink!!! Lol! So the codes came up like this, in the following order:

1-1-1
1-7-2
1-7-6
2-1-1
2-1-9
5-4-2

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#7 Today, 02:08 PM
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Ive struggled with the same problem for awhile, just not as severe. Upon first startup, pulling away in first it hesitates and struggles to climb in the rpms. But after awhile its fine, still lacking power though, my atx toasted my mtx. no CEL except the occasional on for 30 seconds then off. never stayed on and only comes on once in a good while. checked my codes and got no real definitive answer. Ive replaced plugs,wires, ect sensor and all related to it (they're cheap so i went ahead). Checked fuel pressure and replaced fuel filter and all is fine. Im going to replace my o2 sensors as they're 130k old (originals), and a buddy of my cousin said a sho he was working on was really lacking in power, dropped some new o2s in it and its like night and day. hopefully it helps
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111= all tests pass (I guess that's stored codes if you ran the KOEO test)
172=HEGO sensor circuit indicates lean. (Rear Side)
176=HEGO sensor circuit indicates lean. (Front Side)
211=PIP circuit failure. (camshaft sensor)
219=Spark timing defaulted to 10 degrees, spark output circuit open.
542=Fuel pump circuit open, EEC processor to motor ground.

Holy crap man, I don't even know where to start. Looks like your car has electrical issues. Your cam sensor is bad, your SPOUT circuit is, for some reason, open. I would start checking wiring harnesses for cut/chafed wires, looks like a few got cut. I would start at the computer and work my way out. Good luck...

You may also have a bad throttle position sensor (TPS).
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#9 Today, 07:13 PM
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Ok, I realize there are a lot of codes that came up but do they all have something to do with the real issue at hand? My car bogs out @ wide open throttle. I couldn't imagine that all these codes together would be causing this problem. I am going to assume that it just needs two new O2 sensors. I would guess that would address and eliminate the problem at hand. I will go after the other codes, one by one as I have time and the money and I'm not sure how to prioritize the codes though. My main concern right now is getting the car to free up the drastic loss in power when pushing the pedal to the floor. Any second, third, fourth opinions would be great. Thanks for all your help! -ICEMAN007


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#10 Today, 07:20 PM
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I wouldn't head out to buy O2's just yet... don't rule out a vacuum leak. The stock intake couplers are notorious for cracking, and allowing un-metered air into the motor(lean condition=no power).

I'd grab a propane torch and check for vac leaks on the intake. Just run the propane torch around the intake and listen for any noticable idle changes. This of course, with the torch not on (no flame).

That's not to say that your O2's are not on their way out though...

 

[whiteman_01]

I had my cam sensor go bad about 6 months ago. When it was most noticable the car would buck pretty hard under any throttle input.

Where in MN are you located? Mabey we can get together with some of the other MN guys and get it sorted out.

 

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[ICEMAN007]

You guys are awesome. I am a do-it-yourself type a guy but these cars can be a bitch!!! As we all already know. And having minimal space (townhouse) and tools doesn't hep much either. I live in Woodbury off of Tammarack and Radio Drive. I am down to get together and get this all sorted out. I just bought the car on Friday and already having problems. That's the way it usually goes, buying someone else's headaches. But its pretty nice, it's actually my third one. My last one was a auto that ate the shit out of another tranny so I had to resort back to the all mighty 5-speed.

It's that limited edition white with the matching white slicer wheels, decent grey leather and a power moonroof. So I'm pretty excited to get this bitch going at it's full potential at WOT. Haven't been able to light up the sky with smoke yet. But can't wait!!!! I couldn't even get a chirp if I tried!!! Thats fricken sad!!!!! So let me know what you guys want to do and when a good time would be. The more the better I suppose. I have the cash for parts so that's no problem. I think maybe the last weekend of the month would work best for me, I have my daughter this coming weekend. But I will work around your guys schedule. Then after we get things worked out with my car, we can all go rolling down by Porky's or wherever. Let me know what you guys come up with. Thanks boys, later. -ICEMAN007

 

[whiteman_01]

If you didnt see it already i am just down in Hastings. As for the burn outs you may want to keep those to a minimum, to keep from adding a nice ventilation hole in your tranny.

If you dont mind me asking, how much did you pay for the car?? Also, later this month could work out as well, just let us know when.

 

[ICEMAN007]

I paid $1700. He was only asking $1500 but it got a little out of hand with another guy and ended up turning into a damn auction. I bought it off of craigslist. You guys may have seen it on there. And yes, I know about them good ole tranny's. But it would be nice to just let her loose once. Just once. You know how it is, when you get a "new" car. At first you want to have a little fun. But I do want this car to last for me and I know if you beat on these cars, you will pay for it!!! But either Friday, June 29th or Saturday, June 30th will work for me. You guys talk it over and let me know a time and place. We don't have to do it at my place. I would be willing to go over to someone else's garage due to the fact I am in a townhome and not a ton a room in a single car garage. But it's totally up to you peeps. Just keep me in the loop. Talk to ya, ICEMAN007

 

[93rev2sev]

Have you cleaned the MAF sensor yet?

I'll bet you the cost of a can of CRC MAF cleaner that your MAF elements are dirty.

 

[hmthesing]

The next couple Sundays I'll be available. Saturdays are no good, I have family grad parties to attend. Also, I'm moving at the end of the month, so once we're settled in, I'd be happy to host a meet too.

 

[ICEMAN007]

Ok, I'll take your bet 93rev2sev! Where is a good place to pick up the CRC MAF cleaner and what's it cost? And do I just spray and wipe off the sensor. Never have done that in the past. It is so strange what happens. And it is very consistent. Every morning when I first start it up and everything seems just fine and idles normal. But once I try reving it up or putting it in gear, she bogs out big time! I can barely get her to go while in first. I have just barely give it gas otherwise it bogs out and I go no where. But as I start driving it more, I'd say 2-3 minutes, everything seems just fine, unless like I said before, if I push the peddle all the way down, then she putters and bogs out. I can't wait to find out what it is! -ICEMAN007

 

[whiteman_01]

The cleaning might help, you can get it from orileys for about 7 bux i think. But since there is a code for the cam sensor i would put my money on that.

 

[93rev2sev]

You have to remove the sensor from the housing using security torx bit. Then carefully spray off the 2 elements with MAF cleaner. Let it dry, and spray it again.

Do this 3 or 4 times and reinstall MAF sensor into housing.

 

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#11 Yesterday, 09:17 PM
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A 211 code (PIP signal) is a crankshaft position sensor code, not a cam sensor code.

The 219 (no SPOUT) code means your timing is stuck at 10* BTDC which will cause a performance hit, especially at high throttle.

I think your possibly looking at a bad DIS module, or maybe a bad crank sensor. First check and make sure nobody pulled the SPOUT connector, though.
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So what do you guys think? Should I even attempt cleaning the MAF sensor? And what size is the torx bit I need to buy for the MAF sensor?
It sounds to me as it is something much more in depth than the MAF Sensor. I guess it can't hurt but what are your thoughts? Do you guys think we can tackle the problem and get it fixed? I am head is spinning and I'm so lost right now. I couldn't even sleep very good last night because I was up all night thinking about it and researching whatever I could online. It seems like everyone has different opinions and I don't know where to start. This sucks! Especially that I drive from Woodbury to Maple Grove everyday for work, 70 miles round trip. And I'm sure I'm getting lousy gas mileage. I just filled her up this morning and reseted the odometer to see what I get on a tank of gas. Realistically, how many miles should I be getting with a full tank, 5-speed and easy on the gas? I really appreciate all your guy's help though. Much appreciated!!! ICEMAN007

-Sunday's work great for me but it would have to be the 31st of June, this weekend is booked since I get my daughter every other weekend and she is coming to this one coming up. You guys talk it out and let me know. I would be happy to drive to whoever's place. I don't care where but hopefully everyone can get together on this and agree on a good day, time and place. Aight? Later,-C

 

[93rev2sev]

You could've been done cleaning the MAF HOURS ago

 

[ICEMAN007]

LOL. I'm still at work. But thanks.

 

[93rev2sev]

I was just trying to illustrate something...

you asked if you should even attempt the cleaning of the MAF...You can clean it in less time than it takes to purge your colon.

I think you should clean it.

 

[ICEMAN007]

Here are some pics....

 

[ICEMAN007]

Gotta love those famous yellow Headlights!!!! Lol! I haven't washed her yet and the engine needs a good cleaning so she's a bit dirty. It's work in progress.... Eventually. So what do you guys think? Is it worthy of fixing up? Hope I wouldn't embarrass you guys to show up at Porky's on Friday if I come!!!

 

[ICEMAN007]

Car Fixed!!!!! You Won"t Believe It. See The "what Ya Doing" Thread For The Update!!!! **** Ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -iceman007

 

[Howdy_Doody]

Gotta love those famous yellow Headlights!!!! Lol!

You can get a new set of Sable headlights for less than $100 from rockauto.com. An easy way to make your SHO look new again.

 

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Get the $15 headlight refinishing kit from Autozone. It's made by permatex. It comes with different grits of sandpaper and some polish and it works really well. It made my headlights look new again.