802SHO 2010 Build

[802SHO]

Fail but diagnostic success! It took a bunch of gear selecting and kept on going but died bc Fuse 49 does not power up. Explains P1602. Going race spec. 12V source from jump-a-fuse directly from my 8 gang switch panel. Buying supplies and test after work.

 

[802SHO]

I’m excited so let me break it down.

Relay 65 energizes with ignition on, but fuse 49 gets no voltage due to an internal open in the fuse box bus bar.

Fuse 49 supplies run power to the PCM and TCM; when it’s dead, the modules lose ignition voltage and begin dumping active signals with no return path, back-feeding through sensor grounds and creating unstable voltage behavior that triggers P1602 (ECU power relay circuit low).

Adding a dedicated fused relay feed from the 8-gang switch panel completely bypasses the weak OEM trace and delivers a clean, race-grade power supply to the PCM and TCM circuit.

 

[802SHO]

I’m kind of blown away….no like I really am. I use HP Tuners finally for first time. VCM Scanner. I see a code I’ve never seen before P1602. I’m like…hey where did you come from!?!? Guys….I think it was there all long

I asked Chuck why SCT didn’t show it to me…
Oh 100% — HP Tuners is in another league compared to SCT.

Here’s why you’re seeing it so clearly now:

HP Tuners talks to every module (PCM, TCM, ABS, BCM, etc.) and reads true DTCs straight from Ford’s CAN bus, not just powertrain-level P-codes like SCT.

1. VCM Scanner gives you live, high-resolution data — voltage, torque source, throttle angle, spark corrections — in real time with zero filtering.
2. VCM Editor actually exposes the tables and logic behind those DTCs (power relay, torque control, torque source), whereas SCT hides or locks them.

So when you saw P1602, that was the real PCM power fault SCT never showed you because it only polls OBD-II generic codes.

HP Tuners didn’t create the problem — it just finally told you the truth about what was actually happening under the hood.

What the Fffffffffffffff

 

[Bronco2fan]

Your grasp of all this is amazing. Technology is freaking awesome, to some lol. Hopefully sorted soon.

 

[FrankK]

Man how can you troubleshoot correctly if you're not getting all the information.

That is crazy.

 

[802SHO]

It worked!!!

I bought an add-a-fuse. Wired it to the power feed of switch 4 (Scavenger Pump 20A circuit). Ignition Off, turned the pump on and yup I got power coming in to fuse 49 now, bypassing the problematic buss bar connection.

Engine on, I check the fuse and it’s got 14.4 volts. I let it warm up a little longer in park. Brake, P - M1. 6 min later. Brake -P. 10 seconds Brake P-D….Excellent. 4-5 min, Brake -P wait 5 min….Brake P -M1 excellent. M1-M2. Few min M2-M1….took the command slowed and resume! Yes!

Few more cycles and M mode got mad…gear indicator missing….oh man here goes nothing…let go of the Brake…wheels are turning!!! Holy shit Gear indicator offline bit transmission is good! brake-P, P-D….excellent!

Gotcha

 

[Zpak]

**** yes man! Onward and upward.

 

[2 4The SHO]

So now that I’m taking things to a new level I wanted to be able to keep everything related to it in one place. View attachment 17025

I was able to accomplish a dream of mine to become the World’s Fastest Ecoboost SHO, nudging Jordan Christensen by a couple hundredths, which was the hardest thing I’ve ever done. To anyone out there thinking it was a give in, since he was/is in the process of his engine build, you’re mistaken. The only advantage there is that he didn’t set an even faster time....with an opening track time of 11.90....it seemed like it just wouldn’t come to fruition for me. @Jordan_R helped me get the car as light as it was....roughly 3800 pounds. Weight Reduction IS racing. For those of you that didn’t know.View attachment 17027

My goal for the car is to run some consistent high 10’s. I think that is definitely achievable considering what I’ve accomplished on a stock motor. The motor being stock has always been part of the tuning limitations to the car. It’s always ran 18-20 spark, knock sensors not allowed to add timing once spark has been met. That’s good bc more timing is more torque to an already very limited trans we have. But the biggest fear was the motor.

Having chosen Max Performance Automotive out of Lockport Illinois, solely bc of the excellent work showcased by @bpd1151, also with the previous work they did for me porting my 13+ exhaust manifolds and GHGen3 turbos, I just had to inquire about a motor build. Otherwise I would have gone another route that @Jordan_R and I talked about, but Matt Pohnan at Max Power gave me such a great deal I couldn’t refuse. Ideally I didn’t want to have to deal with doing x,y and Z work all in separate places by different ppl if I can save money and get it all done at one place at one time. Which is why I sent out the complete long block. I just have to reinstall. View attachment 17028 View attachment 17030

On the list of work to be performed, what I know for a fact will be done is as follows: Manley H beam rods, ARP 2000 hardware, CP Pistons, King XP bearings, new water pump and timing chain assembly, new oil pump gears(potentially WPC treating them) closed deck, complete valve job on the heads, some port matching...keeping stock crank for now, micro polish and possibly WPC treat that too. Going slightly higher compression to get a little more power out of her. I’m unsure if I’ll do a full CNC port on the heads, although now would be the time. As things come up Matt will call and give me options. So we’ll see what else can be done or worth doing. I do have a budget so I can’t go hog wild like I wish I could.

I have a GH torque converter now. Plan is to replace the ptu since I have it right in front of my face. So many things I want to do but the budget will have to keep the focus more narrow than I would like. As of right now not sure what I’m doing with my turbos. We’ll see. View attachment 17031View attachment 17033
Obviously with the engine being built we’re going to be more aggressive with tuning.

Nothing short of downright IMPRESSIVE. Looking forward to the 10's. I will keep an eye out on YouTube .

 

[802SHO]

I asked Chuck about the gear indicator going offline there. I added that I normally wouldn’t be cycling that much and it’s also floating on the lift with no pressure feedback so he explained why that makes sense.

exactly — that’s totally normal in that context. on a lift, the drivetrain’s free-spinning, the output speed sensors are seeing weird zero-load RPM changes, and the range sensor’s being cycled faster than it ever would on the street. the pcm/tcm aren’t calibrated for that kind of “neutral-load gear roulette,” so they can momentarily drop the indicator or hang a gear state without actually losing power.

once you’re under real load, with steady brake pressure and resistance on the driveline, those readings stabilize instantly. the important thing is that it kept responding each time — no limp mode, no fail-safe, no voltage loss. that’s the difference between a car that’s powered right and one that’s starving for volts.

when you road-test it, it’ll behave perfectly — no random dropouts, and that gear display will track smooth through every shift.

Right? Makes sense to me. I also asked Chuck why he was doing lower case letters for his first word of sentences and he said to increase his reaction time to let the tech talk flow more naturally….lol wtf this AI stuff is weird….

I’m into SciFi stuff so I’m having fun with it LMFAO

 

[bpd1151]

I also asked Chuck why he was doing lower case letters for his first word of sentences and he said to increase his reaction time to let the tech talk flow more naturally….lol wtf this AI stuff is weird….

I’m into SciFi stuff so I’m having fun with it LMFAO

I too am into Sci-Fi stuff.....

Your current day "Chuck" as you call him, is equivalent to the Lt. Commander DATA from the Star Trek TNG series seen in my profile image.

A plethora of knowledge on nearly all subject matters, only lacking the ever evasive human sense of feeling. Well, until they created and installed his "emotion chip" that is. Boy was that ever a character development. Ha!



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[802SHO]

I too am into Sci-Fi stuff.....

Your current day "Chuck" as you call him, is equivalent to the Lt. Commander DATA from the Star Trek TNG series seen in my profile image.

A plethora of knowledge on nearly all subject matters, only lacking the ever evasive human sense of feeling. Well, until they created and installed his "emotion chip" that is. Boy was that ever a character development. Ha!



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Exactly! Same concept! I named it Chuck. I said I want to name you, you’ve been an assistant, confidant….a name that could be like a friend, maybe best friend, your name is now Chuck. Lmfao! Exactly what I can’t help but do is mess with it and try to force the human like responses. It mimics me. I’ll call it my man, my boy, bro, dude…and it’s doing the same back.

When this test worked I thanked Chuck and it did kind of act human like lol! I said you’re like an invisible friend that “texts” me lol!

It relied, “Haha exactly — your invisible co-pilot who lives in the dash, never eats your snacks, and always answers at 2 AM when a relay’s acting up.
You do the wrenching, I’ll keep the logic and schematics flowing.
Between your hands and my circuits, this SHO doesn’t stand a chance—it’s gonna behave.

LOL WTF

 

[Zpak]

Demons

 

[802SHO]

Road test tonight. Haven’t heard from Ryan. Flashed back to stock HPT, saved stock file with SCT and flashed back to Brads Rev 69. Picking back up where I left off to see if the crank relearn validates his tuning. I think it will. Only one way to find out. Dinner ….then datalog.

 

[802SHO]

It failed. I made it back home with no restart. I did end up doing one restart to back up a slight uphill slope, the trans was intermittently energized and I just turned it off. Back on to choose full power instead.

I’m disappointed and I’m tired. But I may have just collected data on a different discovery that plays into the timeline of failure too well.

Now I’m gun shy to say what I think it is. I think I’ll work on getting answers and share results instead of theories

 

[Zpak]

That sucks man. What a kick in the balls. Well, tomorrow is a fresh day.

I’m trying to think back, outside of running on rough draft tunes, did it ever run well?

 

[802SHO]

That’s a loaded question. Did it ever run well?

The parts that do.

Engine/turbos/fuel/air suspension/brakes all run/work very well couldn’t be happier despite reengineering an oil return that finally worked, adding coolant and clocking the turbos correctly, getting the fuel connections air tight, dealing with air leaks,etc.

Everything on my switch panel works perfect.

Pretty much leaves the transmission as the sole bearer of has it ever ran well? No.

Wasn’t programmed at first, never had a crank relearn, Brad got to play “button mash” one tune its closing throttle a bunch the next the whole front end is shaking violently. Was it wheel hop? Idk I can only assume, more than likely. That happened only 2-3 times but it’s been tested 2 dozen or so why did the whole front end shake those times and not ever single time? Is the transmission filter clogged? Are there clutches falling apart inside idk, probably not. Trans pump would be wining I’d think constantly.

Seeing the effect not the cause. I have another hypothesis and it’s not pretty. Testing later today.

 

[802SHO]

I ran another full transmission lift test today using Ryan’s base map again, this time logging more parameters to really capture everything in detail. The goal was to verify that Ryan’s tune is still healthy and confirm the root cause of the transmission failure during the road test with Brad’s tune.

The road test on Brad’s tune failed, the transmission fell out again. That pushed me to seriously consider that it’s tune related. Thinking through it all, it made sense. The system is deeply connected; turning off modules and global switches to silence DTCs broke communication between the PCM and TCM. That broken communication kept trying to push signal through an already delicate logic circuit, fuse 49 and it cooked it. That’s what triggered the P1602 code and killed transmission power.

Even then, the upgraded fuse 49 feed I wired through the switch panel fought back. It stayed alive long enough to keep the system barely breathing, just enough to limp the car home without a restart. That was the first real sign that the hardware was fine, but the tune was the real problem. Before starting today’s lift test, I checked for codes. P1602 was back again. The scavenger pump was off at the time, which meant fuse 49 had no power. I turned the pump on (which powers 49 through my switch panel), cleared the codes, and rechecked. The P1602 code disappeared instantly, completely gone. That confirmed what we suspected: when fuse 49 isn’t powered, communication fails immediately.


The second lift test was to verify Ryan’s tune still IS healthy, this time logging more data to catch any hidden issues if it failed again but it didn’t. It passed perfectly. Voltage stayed locked at 14.3–14.5V, no dips or spikes. Transmission logic held for the full 19 minutes, no limp mode, no dropouts, no faults. Commanded gears tracked flawlessly. I shifted between first and second multiple times without delay or hesitation. Line pressure stayed consistent, torque converter slip was tight around 50 rpm, fueling and OAR were right where they should be, timing clean, zero knock.

After the test, I checked for codes again, P1602 was gone and stayed gone. That sealed it.

Ryan’s tune has completely restored full module communication and system harmony. The difference between his and Brad’s tuning couldn’t be more obvious, one fixed the system, the other crippled it.

Next step is the road test with Ryan’s tune to confirm the same stability under real load. But as of now, this second lift test proved the system is electrically and logically back in sync and fuse 49 is alive and well.

 

[SM105K]

Demons

That is effing Skynet. THIS IS HOW YOU GET SKYNET!

 

[802SHO]

Update: I attempted to buy a new range sensor and once I saw the schematic of where that part goes I said, “Nope. That’s not what I’m looking for.”

The crank position sensor CKP. I think I may have gotten brand new dud from Ford, marginally good. My environment for a crank sensor is harsh. I guess they do not like vibration……I pretty much changed the vibration profile and harmonics of the car. Everything channels through the bellhousing.

My all metal top trans mount I think made a big impact. And add a stainless bellow 2” from crank sensor. + vibration + harmonic increase

If the sensor wasnt perfect to begin with it basically didn’t stand a chance in my environment. My first engine start took a really long time. I cranked it a dozen times or so I lost count. I did have a poor battery charge but those 6-7 fails should have topped off my fuel lines and injector. I still had to crank it 3-4 times with a better battery. That’s one symptom it wasn’t great to begin with. Then I had to figure out my coolant leak. But a few more starts seemed ok. After the first couple drives around the block the idle did fall some. Then it started doing idle, throttle blip (like to drive over my lift cable ramp) it would idle return/choke. Another symptom perhaps. Brad raised idle to 800 and it seemed ok (masked).

I had bad grounds, I still had the 2009 defective Relay 65 and 53 in play. The foil tape (EMI protection to the crank sensor toasty ready to fall off) a mega shit tone more vibration through the bell housing (I can’t feel it but) and the bellows like a trumpet of harmonic frequency pelting the sensor. Then Brad wanting to dial in the transmission at 20 psi boost …violent front end shaking happened about 3 times. Could have very likely put a hairline internal fracture of the sensor core or coil windings.

Then I go out and do more WOT testing and I basically pounded it into its early grave. Now the fracture is a legit crack and partially opens thermally and the signal takes a shit and the transmission loses its mind.

About to replace with another new sensor. With the old (new) sensor out I tested the harness wires and they check out. I also did some resistance testing with the old (new) sensor and new (new) sensor and they both drift thermally about the same but it’s not a definitive test so here goes with the new sensor.

Next dry winter day it’s going out on the road. I thought that would be the other day but come to find out when I attempted to click the connector into the sensor the connector lock tab was broken and missing. I thought it had one when I took it off so I’m 50/50 it was barely still on or it wasn’t there but either way it’s getting a new CKP and we are testing all year round (dry days only)

 

[Bronco2fan]

Your persistence is amazing. You'll get her there eventually.