Should we have a section called "Generation 4.5" for the 2013+ SHOs?

[in_SHO_STOPPER]

It just seems like the older "gen 4" cars are completely different beasts than the newer ones. What do you think?

 

[SilvererSHO]

It just seems like the older "gen 4" cars are completely different beasts than the newer ones. What do you think?

This is your first post? "We"?

 

[in_SHO_STOPPER]

This is your first post? "We"?

This is your response? Go be a ****** somewhere else.

 

[SilvererSHO]

"Go be a ****** somewhere else."

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Taint that word censor just great sometimes! I can't read you sunshine!

 

[in_SHO_STOPPER]

I'll let you use your imagination.

 

[76FoMoCo]

you guys keep this S H I t on facebook! most here are respectfull (as a form can be).
I would say No to the split of the Gen 4 and a lot of guys mix and match what is interchangeable and I think you would loose some of the this. JMO

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

I feel like this topic comes up about once every 6 to 9 months, lol..it's been debated a few times already.

 

[SM105K]

Technically the 2013+ is a 5th Gen. It is well documented here.

 

[stripSHO]

Technically everything 2010+ is a 6th gen taurus. This notion that the SHO is it's own separate entity is pretty weird in itself, but the declaration of 13+ as a separate generation from 10-12 is asinine. The facelift the Taurus got is probably the tamest/least substantial of any mid-generation update I can think of.
H ell, if whoever came up with the "5th gen SHO" was in charge declaring generations on other platforms then there'd probably be 20+ generations of mustang with at least four generations of fox body. And if you owned a 2021 mustang (6th gen, or "20th gen") but it happened to be a Mach1 then you'd be forced to call it a 3rd gen? Yeah... pretty nonsensical isn't it?

Chevy went 24 years without a SS package on the camaro. Yet, I doubt you would find a single person on the whole planet that refers to their 1996-2002 4th gen Camaro SS as a "2nd gen". No matter what anybody on a forum says or thinks, that bull in my driveway is, always was, and always will be 6th generation.

 

[SM105K]

Splitting hairs.....Mike has the documentation from Ford about the SHO Generations. Ford facelifted the whole car and it vastly different than the 4th Gen SHO. Body panels, head lights, tail lights, rear wing, CPU, interior ect are different. Remember this is a SHO forum, not a Taurus forum. The correct generations of SHO should be displayed. Usually the first question asked to help members is....."What year is your SHO?".....

Also I have never heard of any Mustang owner or enthusiast calling a Mustang by any generation. They call them by the platform designator. Fox Body, New Age, S197, S550, ect.

Camaro guys use the moniker of Gens because they have too. There are so many SS vehicles are across numerous platforms, including a dedicated whole car to itself. So they are broke down into 1st Gen Camaro SS, 4th Gen Camaro SS (LT/LS) ect because literally no one would understand what a 2nd Gen SS is.....

 

[yaycandy]

Technically the 2013 and up sho is a gen 4. Its the same frame part numbers for all gen 4. I do agree it should be as a gen 4 refresh. Too little was changed for it to be a gen 5. For straight proof, I go to Ford Nationals. My car was listed as Gen IV SHO. If it was a gen 5 my window sticker would say gen 5...

 

[bpd1151]

Aye yai yai...... **SMH** at how this continues to pop up from time to time.

GEN4 = 2010 to 2012
GEN5 = 2013 to 2019

This has been stated over and over and over again. Reaffirmed by the National SHO Club.

Reasons being have been posted previously. Multiple times over.

Carry on.

 

[stripSHO]

Splitting hairs.....Mike has the documentation from Ford about the SHO Generations. Ford facelifted the whole car and it vastly different than the 4th Gen SHO. Body panels, head lights, tail lights, rear wing, CPU, interior ect are different. Remember this is a SHO forum, not a Taurus forum. The correct generations of SHO should be displayed. Usually the first question asked to help members is....."What year is your SHO?".....

Also I have never heard of any Mustang owner or enthusiast calling a Mustang by any generation. They call them by the platform designator. Fox Body, New Age, S197, S550, ect.

Camaro guys use the moniker of Gens because they have too. There are so many SS vehicles are across numerous platforms, including a dedicated whole car to itself. So they are broke down into 1st Gen Camaro SS, 4th Gen Camaro SS (LT/LS) ect because literally no one would understand what a 2nd Gen SS is.....

You yourself just called it a facelift and listed off a bunch of cosmetic differences on interchangeable parts. lol freudian slip maybe? That's your unconscious telling you it's not remotely enough to call it a redesign.

Let's talk Mustangs. The fox body underwent multiple cosmetic changes, interior changes, suspension changes, different powertrain offerings, engine modifications, advancement from carbed to efi, redesign of the efi, dabbled in turbocharging for a couple years.... but they're all still fox bodies and they're all 3rd gen.

Now, 1994 mustang vs 2004 mustang. Put the two next to each other, and from a first look no reasonable person would assume them to be the same platform. But they are, and they're both sn95 and they're both 4th gen.

What's neat in both cases above, intragenerational differences are so heavily pronounced that there's common and simple nicknames to differentiate, like "four light fox body" and "new edge sn95". Not at all the case with the 2010+ taurus. Nobody talks to their buddies about their "ugly tail lens gen4 SHO" or their "Gen5 SHO with the slightly different spoiler than the other identical body style SHO", do they?

The reason mustang guys use monikers is because Ford gave them that vocabulary. Chevy doesn't codename their cars, so there's no official codename to go by. The point was, though, that just like a Camaro SS, RS, Z28, ZL1, COPO etc. is still just a Camaro, the Taurus SHO is just a Taurus. Anyone who wants to argue otherwise needs to check their registration first and let me know what it says. It's just badging, like **** Pack, Z06, and on and on and on. There is no vehicle named SHO. Everyone always seems to forget that. Ironically the Chevy SS actually does exist, but I digress.

The only "argument" I've ever heard is that 5+ years ago some club guys subjectively decreed 13+ to be a different platform. And if you don't like it then it's always the same "SHO club said so, so shove it up your as s." Well I reject that. They're wrong. Not sorry. The Taurus has undergone 5 platform redesigns, and 2013 is not one of them. Ford knows it, TCCA knows it, anyone who's been alive for 30 years or has access to Google knows it.

Having the same body style with the same drivetrain carrying three different generation designations in the world is beyond insane to me. But hey, everyone has their own lingo for things and as long as we all understand each other then who really cares right? I go along with it most the time for the **** of it.

Vehicular taxonomy aside, I hope everyone agrees that splitting the platform into separate sub-forums is probably a bad idea!

 

[SM105K]

Aye yai yai...... **SMH** at how this continues to pop up from time to time.

GEN4 = 2010 to 2012
GEN5 = 2013 to 2019

This has been stated over and over and over again. Reaffirmed by the National SHO Club.

Reasons being have been posted previously. Multiple times over.

Carry on.

Exactly Mike. It is a 5th Gen.

 

[in_SHO_STOPPER]

Exactly Mike. It is a 5th Gen.

Then why don't we have our own section on the forum? Just wondering.

 

[stripSHO]

Then why don't we have our own section on the forum? Just wondering.

I can't wait for an attempt at an explanation for this which doesn't make the whole concept of the gen5 sho completely implode into a black hole of irrationality

 

[luigisho]

I can't wait for an attempt at an explanation for this which doesn't make the whole concept of the gen5 sho completely implode into a black hole of irrationality

Because not enough people care. We have a section for GenI and GenII combined. Why? because they are still similar enough to do that. Event horizon on the left...

 

[SM105K]

Because not enough people care. We have a section for GenI and GenII combined. Why? because they are still similar enough to do that. Event horizon on the left...

You are correct. Even though the Gen I and Gen II are similar they are different enough to warrant a Gen change. Just like the Gen 4 and Gen 5. Our community is too small to care. It always goes back to the same question...."What year is your SHO?" Lol.

 

[SilvererSHO]

You yourself just called it a facelift and listed off a bunch of cosmetic differences on interchangeable parts. lol freudian slip maybe? That's your unconscious telling you it's not remotely enough to call it a redesign.

Let's talk Mustangs. The fox body underwent multiple cosmetic changes, interior changes, suspension changes, different powertrain offerings, engine modifications, advancement from carbed to efi, redesign of the efi, dabbled in turbocharging for a couple years.... but they're all still fox bodies and they're all 3rd gen.

Now, 1994 mustang vs 2004 mustang. Put the two next to each other, and from a first look no reasonable person would assume them to be the same platform. But they are, and they're both sn95 and they're both 4th gen.

What's neat in both cases above, intragenerational differences are so heavily pronounced that there's common and simple nicknames to differentiate, like "four light fox body" and "new edge sn95". Not at all the case with the 2010+ taurus. Nobody talks to their buddies about their "ugly tail lens gen4 SHO" or their "Gen5 SHO with the slightly different spoiler than the other identical body style SHO", do they?

The reason mustang guys use monikers is because Ford gave them that vocabulary. Chevy doesn't codename their cars, so there's no official codename to go by. The point was, though, that just like a Camaro SS, RS, Z28, ZL1, COPO etc. is still just a Camaro, the Taurus SHO is just a Taurus. Anyone who wants to argue otherwise needs to check their registration first and let me know what it says. It's just badging, like **** Pack, Z06, and on and on and on. There is no vehicle named SHO. Everyone always seems to forget that. Ironically the Chevy SS actually does exist, but I digress.

The only "argument" I've ever heard is that 5+ years ago some club guys subjectively decreed 13+ to be a different platform. And if you don't like it then it's always the same "SHO club said so, so shove it up your as s." Well I reject that. They're wrong. Not sorry. The Taurus has undergone 5 platform redesigns, and 2013 is not one of them. Ford knows it, TCCA knows it, anyone who's been alive for 30 years or has access to Google knows it.

Having the same body style with the same drivetrain carrying three different generation designations in the world is beyond insane to me. But hey, everyone has their own lingo for things and as long as we all understand each other then who really cares right? I go along with it most the time for the **** of it.

Vehicular taxonomy aside, I hope everyone agrees that splitting the platform into separate sub-forums is probably a bad idea!

I can't think of many vehicle generations that have AS FEW changes as the Gen 6 2010-12 and FACELIFTED 2013+ cars have had. Even the lowly Ford and Chevy pickmmmup trucks had way more changes throughout their generational run in the 70's than our 2010-2019 cars have and had more option packages too. And even some of the changes to the 2013+ cars like the cooled PTU availability in the PP cars already existed in cop cars going all the way back to 2010. And the only ONE body panel that changed is the hood. Plastic valances and bumper covers are not body panels. Get real! The C2 Vette had a different hood and side vent configuration every year it was made. Went from drum to disk brakes. The Impalas had different taillights every model year for the Gen 4 cars and that same body style (Impala, Biscayne, Caprice etc.) had different combinations yet. There are countless more examples. According to the posters that think the 2010-2012 cars are a separate generation, they must also think the original VW Bug had a dozen or so generations using their absurd argument. NOPE! Gen 6 = 2010-2019 period, end of story.

And I'm no professional head doctor by any means.... but my gut instinct here tells me some jussssssssssst might have an inferiority complex and think maybe by separating out their softened up 2013+ cars they'll get chicks or something. Yessir, real men prefer a nice distinguished chrome grill on their high performance sedan as opposed to the boy-racer looking chickenwire dealybob that lets all of the Junebugs come in and plug your intercooler with their splattered guts. Not to mention the 2013+ Look-at-me flower wheels. How completely embarrassing....

 

[SM105K]

I can't think of many vehicle generations that have AS FEW changes as the Gen 6 2010-12 and FACELIFTED 2013+ cars have had. Even the lowly Ford and Chevy pickmmmup trucks had way more changes throughout their generational run in the 70's than our 2010-2019 cars have and had more option packages too. And even some of the changes to the 2013+ cars like the cooled PTU availability in the PP cars already existed in cop cars going all the way back to 2010. And the only ONE body panel that changed is the hood. Plastic valances and bumper covers are not body panels. Get real! The C2 Vette had a different hood and side vent configuration every year it was made. Went from drum to disk brakes. The Impalas had different taillights every model year for the Gen 4 cars and that same body style (Impala, Biscayne, Caprice etc.) had different combinations yet. There are countless more examples. According to the posters that think the 2010-2012 cars are a separate generation, they must also think the original VW Bug had a dozen or so generations using their absurd argument. NOPE! Gen 6 = 2010-2019 period, end of story.

And I'm no professional head doctor by any means.... but my gut instinct here tells me some jussssssssssst might have an inferiority complex and think maybe by separating out their softened up 2013+ cars they'll get chicks or something. Yessir, real men prefer a nice distinguished chrome grill on their high performance sedan as opposed to the boy-racer looking chickenwire dealybob that lets all of the Junebugs come in and plug your intercooler with their splattered guts. Not to mention the 2013+ Look-at-me butterfly wheels. How completely embarrassing....

Bumper covers are body panels because they literally cover the whole front and rear of the car. They are not interchangeable. I digress though. Moving on to the hood. Different. Trunk lid. Different. Did you just forget about the trunk lid?

Oh wait...I remember you from the forum. As for your other opinions on the 5th Gen and claims of inferiority complex that is laughable. We get it, you own a 4th Gen, but deep down you want a 5th Gen. The joke is literally on us....we own A Taurus.

On a complete other topic, if you love chrome so much...why did you paint your's silver?