Darkside
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So you would rather void a ST warranty to attempt to keep up with a stock Trackhawk with a full warranty. Pretty confident that it would cost more fixing the modded ST.
2020 Explorer ST VS TrackHawk
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Joshw0000
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Which one is selling for $30K? Google tells me one sells for $55K and the other for $90K. Ford being the cheaper or the two.
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High on Ethanol
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They are super easy to catch in the garage getting frequent repairs. Also easy to beat when you see em being trailered.
Fiat Chrysler is super easy to make a target out of.
Hello dodge demon breakdowns and sacrifices for... Nothing.
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This is my point. Who would ever pay over 30k for any Mopar outside of a viper? It literally makes no sense. Especially when you consider the facts. It's almost like they are marketing to suckers and hoping noone does any research.
I can't imagine going to a dodge dealer if I didn't have to... Which I did when we had company dodges, only 2 out of 50 surpassed 60k miles, the rest were swapped out by the leasing company for excessive repairs and downtime. It isn't hard to compare when you witness that many issues with only one brand. Only one Ford didn't make 100k and that's because it was T-boned and rebuilt and then rolled over an embankment.
At the end of the day, it's your money and time, waste it however you want to but don't try to compare the extremely overpriced Trackhawk to the ST. It's just...an extremely different market and two insanely different vehicles that I can't imagine anyone comparison shopping for.
Joshw0000
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Gotcha. Everything at my house is Ford. Even my New Holland Tractor.
I've looked elsewhere but at the end of the day, Ford is always what I end up choosing. I was between the SHO and discontinued Chevy SS when I bought the 4 door. SHO was cheaper, more luxury, and AWD. Ford trucks will tow more for the price. Mustang is faster for the price ($40K will get a Roush charged GT). Maybe one day price won't be an issue, but I'm not made of money and don't think I ever will be.
As cool as the Trackhawk seems I always think to myself, I've never met a single Jeep owner that didn't have significant issues. Last issue I recall was Jeeps shutting down on the highway because they thought they were due for an oil change.
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I've looked elsewhere but at the end of the day, Ford is always what I end up choosing. I was between the SHO and discontinued Chevy SS when I bought the 4 door. SHO was cheaper, more luxury, and AWD. Ford trucks will tow more for the price. Mustang is faster for the price ($40K will get a Roush charged GT). Maybe one day price won't be an issue, but I'm not made of money and don't think I ever will be.
As cool as the Trackhawk seems I always think to myself, I've never met a single Jeep owner that didn't have significant issues. Last issue I recall was Jeeps shutting down on the highway because they thought they were due for an oil change.
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Jordan_R
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Y'all gotta understand *** a very pessimistic responder. Not much nice to say about anything he doesn't like. That being said trackhawk is significantly more expensive with a way higher ceiling while the ST isn't as expensive and potent with a tune only. Sc vs tc the tc car going to have crazy gains in comparison 9/10 times.
Having driven a hellcat several times and almost buying one I'll say the reliability of the motor and zf8 trans is actually really impressive but Jeep interior always lacks
Having driven a hellcat several times and almost buying one I'll say the reliability of the motor and zf8 trans is actually really impressive but Jeep interior always lacks
Darkside
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Obviously there are fan boys on whatever site you go to, not surprised to see them here. I personally love all brands that put out bad ass cars. There are crappy cars pumped out by each manufacturer and Ford isn't exempt. The fleet Taurus put out for Police use were complete garbage. Ford made a great run with the Crown Vics and followed it up with a large turd in the Taurus. You want to talk about cars breaking down and suspension parts not lasting 10k miles. But my Sho was trouble free. I've also owned numerous high performance Mopars and haven't had any issues at all. Its a crapshoot when it comes to quality and the base cars tend to be more of a reliability issue with all brands.
But I agree that the comparison between the Trackhawk and ST is apples to oranges.
But I agree that the comparison between the Trackhawk and ST is apples to oranges.
Darkside
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Haters gonna hate. I agree that the older Jeeps lacked interior quality, my WK1 Srt is very basic. The Trackhawk interior is actually very nice with the leather package, even the dash is nice. No where near previous Jeeps. I'm not saying its worthy of a 100k pricing, but still very nice.
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Ya gotta understand Jordan is a very pessimistic responder unless a fan boy of said vendor or item. But everyone has an opinion even if it's different than someone else's.
Everyone knows Ford beats the snot out of the competition when they choose to compete. Everyone knows best selling truck is who? Ford GT vs viper? Sorry vipers dead. Ram trx vs raptor? Let's see if they can match up.
Everyone knows if Cummins wasn't in the rams, them trucks would have been dead decades ago.
Facts is facts.
Shokev
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The fact that they had to put a Cummins in their trucks to sell them is still hilarious to me
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Yeah it's nice but what about 9s in a pickup that has just slicks, lowered, and a supercharger? Also only cost 50k....ahem.
P. S. Ford just does it better.... Because they spend more than 20x what dodge does on R&D. I do admit dodges look brighter on the side of the road. Ford doesn't sell as many flashy colors.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/motors...ed-ford-f-150-nine-second-quarter-mile-video/
Well, if I want a pick up that is loaded like the Trackhawk, I will spend close to $70k on a Platinum or Limited. Then add all the modifications and I won't be too far off from the Trackhawk.
As I said, they may not be the most reliable, but damnit Dodge is putting the Hellcat motor in anything and everything and at least they have the balls to listen to enthusiasts.
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Only took 20years to get a v8 in the wrangler.
When you lack innovation you put the same thing in everything out of desperation. When a company is too ashamed to put "dodge" on their own trucks, because it could hurt the sales of them.
When you lack innovation you put the same thing in everything out of desperation. When a company is too ashamed to put "dodge" on their own trucks, because it could hurt the sales of them.
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All I can say is back when I worked at the strip, I always dreaded Mopar events. It was guaranteed you were going to have a ton of oildowns. The only group that maybe broke more was VW. But the VW's usually busted right at the starting line, didn't hold any fluids to leak out, and were light enough for one guy to push out of the way without breaking a sweat.
Shokev
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They coming out with a **** cat dart 2022 and **** cat caravan 2023 both going be front wheel drive
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Angrymongoose
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Are we really gonna bash mopar reliability in expensive vehicles and just act like ford didnt put possibly one of the worst engines ever made in its ultra expensive f250/350s for awhile?
Lookin at the 6.0 powerstroke here. Im pretty sure that engine has had more warranty repairs than any other engine in history. That doesnt even account for the repairs out of warranty. **** ford is still being sued over that thing.
Every manufacturer screws up from time to time. Its how they respond when that happens that matters. Fords response to the 6.0 has been very LMS like.
Lookin at the 6.0 powerstroke here. Im pretty sure that engine has had more warranty repairs than any other engine in history. That doesnt even account for the repairs out of warranty. **** ford is still being sued over that thing.
Every manufacturer screws up from time to time. Its how they respond when that happens that matters. Fords response to the 6.0 has been very LMS like.
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At least they can afFORD to pay for it. Lol they don't DODGE their debts or GMC their way into government help.
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