Livernois High Pressure Fuel Pump
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StealBlueSho
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Not yet.
bpd1151
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Rich (SHOnUup4) has one installed on his SHO & I know I was asked to have one installed on mine as well, so they are out there/available.
Not sure why they're not up on their site. I would give them a call if I were you.
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Not sure why they're not up on their site. I would give them a call if I were you.
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StealBlueSho
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Agreed might be worth a call... last I called they had them but it was on a limited basis... and they did not have a remote tune yet. They would install it and tune for it at the shop as of right now....and only for select clients. Aka... Rich and Mike.. lol
Once they get a couple guys with them installed tuned and consistency they will probably be more willing for remote tunes/installs...
Dieselcircuit
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Hi,
New user here, probably not the usual way to introduce yourself but I was lurking and wanted to chime in. I spoke to the gentleman (forgive me for not remembering his name) who does installs over at Livernois last week and he told me that they do have the HPFP available for the SHO's now.
New user here, probably not the usual way to introduce yourself but I was lurking and wanted to chime in. I spoke to the gentleman (forgive me for not remembering his name) who does installs over at Livernois last week and he told me that they do have the HPFP available for the SHO's now.
bpd1151
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It's not uncommon for their site to not be updated. Been that way for years.
I think it has to do with a rotating staff of sales/internet employees coming/going.
Thanks for the verification there DC & welcome aboard. Nice to be out from under those lurking shadows.
Enjoy!
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I think it has to do with a rotating staff of sales/internet employees coming/going.
Thanks for the verification there DC & welcome aboard. Nice to be out from under those lurking shadows.
Enjoy!
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StealBlueSho
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Just spoke to Dave over at LMS. My question was if I am not looking to run ethanol and I currently run meth then is there any advantage to the bigger pump. His response was that if you have meth and it's running well then no benefit from a HPFP is there. He did say that with bigger turbos it's recommended even with meth.. otherwise it's just an added insurance policy...
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Dieselcircuit
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Yeah thats the only thing I don't like so far is their website, (it's not a huge issue, I know these guys by name from my F-body days) but it's not updated often and the descriptions arn't great, I'll be damned if I can figure out the difference between the stage 3 and stage 4 package short of the 3 grand price tag difference. Either way I know that's where I'm taking the car by next spring. Planning on starting with the race shortblock and most likely HFFP, where I go from there depends on my budget.
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Do they have the one that will run E85 yet, or just the smaller boost pressure one?
Dieselcircuit
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I think another good question is will this fuel pump open up a wider range of turbo upgrades for us?
bpd1151
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All of this seems a moot discussion without any type of drivetrain upgrades to support the power.
Until a vendor steps up to the plate, that can offer a definitive, bona fide, reliable tranny/drive shaft/half shaft upgrade(s) the plateau has been achieved by me and an isolated few others.
No sense to even go down that path until the aforementioned becomes a viable option.
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Until a vendor steps up to the plate, that can offer a definitive, bona fide, reliable tranny/drive shaft/half shaft upgrade(s) the plateau has been achieved by me and an isolated few others.
No sense to even go down that path until the aforementioned becomes a viable option.
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StealBlueSho
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100% agree with BPD1151...
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limited02
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I agree. However, my main interest in this pump would be to run straight E85 for the gains it'll have over 93. At most, I'll add catted down pipes and that's it. No cat-back, no meth and no touching the turbos. So for me, I'll get a little more power without too much fear of destroying my transmission.
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This is what I want one for too.
I would like to essentially get the methanol type gains without the methanol <---- assuming that is possible.
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Dieselcircuit
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Well, at least if you want it to run reliably and consistently, but at least it's another piece of the puzzle. When I talked to the gentleman at Livernois, I had asked about transmission upgrades and as you said, there is little to nothing out there, although he said these transmissions are able to hold up to 800 hp, I'm taking that with a large grain of salt because that value sounds much higher then anything I have heard quoted so far, and I would think torque would be the more concerning limitation.
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These are numbers I can live with.
No doubt. Though I doubt a 91 tune is going to get me there
bpd1151
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Yea, no doubt on the BIG grain of salt right there. Geez.
I will defer DIRECTLY TO THE ENGINEERS WHO DEVELOPED THIS PLATFORM, as I spoke to them personally.... and when I inquired about drivetrain failures and what/where they (FMC) were seeing failures in their own internal testing..... after learning what numbers my car was putting down (& even they were impressed) I was told in a very generic sense w/o any specifics having been provided therein, and I quote: "around the 720 mark". 720 being at the motor.
Now that said, SHODDED states drivetrain losses are 20%. They're actually between 23-24%. So, my 617 awhp file equates to 805 at the motor. I have yet to run that file because as D. Millen, owner of LMS told me: "You're in uncharted territory. You may get one pass, maybe 3, or even a 1/2 dozen. Who knows. But until you're prepared to tell me you can afford a custom built trans, & knowing it's your DD, I wouldn't".
Now, that 525awhp file equates to 680 at the motor. Which provides me a cushion of 40chp and needless to say, I've beaten the snot out of that file, and knock on wood, I am still on my original trans.
So I am confident that the info I was provided by those engineers way back in 2011/2012, was/is accurate, as demonstrated by my own SHO.
To date, there are/were two Gen4 SHO owners that tried running tune files over that 720chp threshold, and both unfortunately each blew their transmissions. Even custom built transmissions couldn't hold for them either. Which really truly sucks. I would've been totally ****** if I was in their shoes.
So, yea...... the platform has reached a definitive point of diminishing return. Again, at least until a vendor steps up that can/will provide a true, reliable, built trans.
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