Decided to take a day to think and...

[gimpy]

gather more some opinions.

Originally, I was going to order the Livernois Stage II pack. Tuner, CAI, downpipes, 3bar, t-stat and throw their Alky kit behind it.

After a fair amount of research and speaking with people that run 100% methanol, I've decided that's not the journey I want to take...yet.

Now I'm here, at a crossroads and not sure if I should stay my current route, or take option B. As stated above, yet...which is also a big "yet".

Option B is the Livernois Stage IV pack. Instead of typing this one, I'll supply a link.

https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP663117

This is where 'yet' comes into play. As with option B, I would add an Alky system down the road at some point (most likely anyways) after gathering more info about it. Having a 'hands-on' with methanol as a few track folk use it before I become a rookie with a possible self hurt situation. -don't nobody want to become fail video famous on youtube-

Anyways, Stage IV SHO folk, speak up...if we have any.

Is the added in full exhaust worth it?

Also, Stage IV + meth folk, speak up...again if we have any.

Anyone with track times or dyno sheets to throw in for comparison would be of great help. As I intend on choosing option A or B within a few days. Time to think never hurts.

 

[gimpy]

Also, any clips on how the a full Livernois exhaust sounds?

It's late and I'm too lazy to Google search...and I don't really want to.

 

[StealBlueSho]

The Alky LMS guys I believe are running mid to mid-low 12's...

Couple dynos I saw were around 440ftlbs torque...

 

[limited02]

How did you like your 2011 with the LMS mods you had? The 2016 modded the same should run very close to that. From what I understand there are only three real mods that net you a measurable gain: tune, downpipes and methanol injection. The rest is for show and sound.

I would do the tune, catted dp's, 3-bar, thermostat and have larger double walled tips added to the stock exhaust. Once you're ready for more go, get the alky kit.

Edit- LMS has clips on YouTube. I'm near deaf and don't have my cochlear in at the moment, but here's something:

 

[BamSHO]

Gimpy, I pretty much run the Livernois Stage 4, expect for the cat back exhaust. Ran a best of 12.77, and that was a cool day and lots of cool down time to let the car cool off. Got the Livernois V8 race tune last fall and ran a best of 12.68, but got to the track early and let car cool down for almost 2 hrs before I ran.

Just installed the Alky controls meth kit this winter and running the v10 93 meth tune. Yeah is freakin works. Ran a best of 12.45 into a strong head wind. Just raced this past Friday night and ended running in 3 classes, and basically had no "cool down" time. I deep stage so times are off cause of it, but she ran 12.65 to 12.59 though the 14 runs I did. Meth sure does help and takes care of the dreaded heat soak.

Now I'm dealing with tractions issues off the line, but I will figure that out, just minor thing. I talked with Mike(BPD) for 2 years before I pulled the trigger on buying the meth kit. So I do understand your reasoning, but when you do, you wont regret it.

 

[StealBlueSho]

Hmm might be interesting to see which direction LMS goes with the meth kit after the release of the HPFP...

I called them on Friday to talk, they said with the new HPFP the alky kit almost becomes unnecessary... it's main purpose is to supplement the fuel system...

It's a bit more money, but probably much safer to run the bigger the HPFP with a cheaper meth kit just to cool the charge... problem is if LMS will support it.


Just something to think about...

 

[bpd1151]

LMS has no intentions of abandoning their support of their Meth kit.

They may dial down the amount of meth being sprayed, when those have both the meth AND the new HPFP. So the reliance of meth overall will be less, but there's still an absolute benefit to running it.

So don't look to them to up chuck past practices.

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[StealBlueSho]

LMS has no intentions of abandoning their support of their Meth kit.

They may dial down the amount of meth being sprayed, when those have both the meth AND the new HPFP. So the reliance of meth overall will be less, but there's still an absolute benefit to running it.

So don't look to them to up chuck past practices.

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I was not saying they were going to drop support for their Alky setup, more stating that they way they use it depending on your modifications will most likely HAVE to change... in other words... if you have the HPFP then you don't need to run the alky kit which requires 100% VP1 Methanal for supplemental fuel... which is the big reason for going 100% methanol...

If I don't need it to supplement fuel anymore, then I can get a kit for 1/3 to 1/2 the price just to cool the charge and avoid heat soak.. and if I run out then no biggie... just be dealing with heat soak... not to mention I can get 50/50 WM mixes for a lot cheaper.

If you are happy with the current Alky Control setup that LMS has then that's your call... I know a lot of people have been running it successfully for years... I personally have heart burn running the alky kit to supplement fuel.. but that's just my opinion.

I guess all I was meaning to say is that I am not slighting LMS, just commenting that before committing to $1000 alky kit, it might be worth while waiting and/or talking to them.. as their currently path forward maybe changing...

 

[gimpy]

Holy good points to everyone, this input is greatly appreciated.

2 questions for bam.

1. What is this 'stage 4' you speak of. I'm guessing it's a certain tuning file with downpipes, cai, t-stat, 3bar...yes?

2. How in the world can you talk for 2 years about something? I shake my head at my girlfriend when she's on the phone gabbing for more than an hour.

 

[BamSHO]

I did all mine stuff, one mod at a time, so guessing at what stage I had.

Yes seriously I talked with Mike over a two year period about the meth kit. Most of my mods I took my time in doing.

 

[bpd1151]

Thank God he finally pulled the trigger.....

After 2yrs, I can't tell you how blood much pooled up in the bottom of my ear lobes.

Lol.

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[BamSHO]

Love you too,

 

[hippieh8]

have they made any statements on a date for the HFFP? other than "soon" haha

 

[StealBlueSho]

have they made any statements on a date for the HFFP? other than "soon" haha

I called LMS in Friday because I am an impatient bastard... they said within the next 2 weeks. They are getting about 10 made for the first round of orders... once they show up they are gonna announce availability.

 

[Golfsupt]

Just curious, will we be able to run straight e85 with new hpfp?

 

[StealBlueSho]

Just curious, will we be able to run straight e85 with new hpfp?

According to Livernois that is going to be an option. There are two different pumps coming out... one that has around 30% more flow and one that is around 60% more flow IIRC..

 

[gimpy]

...

Why do you guys have to make me wait even longer before making a choice.

It is basically made...for the most part. I'm thinking on holding off with an Alky setup for this year and going with everything (minus a catback) and waiting to see what the HPFP has to offer.

 

[StealBlueSho]

...

Why do you guys have to make me wait even longer before making a choice.

It is basically made...for the most part. I'm thinking on holding off with an Alky setup for this year and going with everything (minus a catback) and waiting to see what the HPFP has to offer.

Welcome to the club.... I'm in the same boat....

 

[gimpy]

I'm going to see if I can catch a few free minutes tomorrow and give the folk over at Livernois a call.

I do appreciate all the input here though.