performace help

[limited02]

so running 93 stage 4+ tune over say stage 1 tune or what ever make it faster?

Correct. Think of it as the higher the stage, the faster the car. That link above showing the package stages can be confusing because the '10-12s also have different "stage" tunes available as well. If you do decide to go with LMS, this should answer some questions: http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=691.0

Are you referring to crank or wheel HP? 400 crank hp up is easy as SHOdded mentioned (tune can get you there) but getting 400 wheel hp takes a few more pennies and mods. Honestly, doing a 3-bar, thermostat, plugs and tune will put a huge smile on your face. A tune really wakes the car up and most likely be all that you need.

 

[2012korn]

^not so true anymore. More and more guys are tune 3bar and tstat and getting just over 400whp.

 

[SHOdded]

While we are indeed seeing SHOs laying down faster times with less mods, I would still approach this power level cautiously, especially if you intend to use your SHO as a daily driver. You can push the envelope any number of ways, but doing it sensibly is not easy. Otherwise, frankly, you are better off having an EB F150 as your ride, because there are so many more of them, in sheer numbers.

Who will you choose to tune your SHO? Will your maintenance efforts be rigorous? Will you consistently use quality products in your vehicle? In other words, do you have a commitment to your SHO? </end diatribe>

 

[limited02]

^not so true anymore. More and more guys are tune 3bar and tstat and getting just over 400whp.

Tune only SHO/MKS's are now laying down almost 400 wheel hp? I thought the norm was 325-350 depending on conditions and the aggressiveness of the tune since stock is typically 275ish hp. I guess I'll have to put mine on the dyno to see what she lays down!

 

[99Lightning]

Tune only SHO/MKS's are now laying down almost 400 wheel hp? I thought the norm was 325-350 depending on conditions and the aggressiveness of the tune since stock is typically 275ish hp. I guess I'll have to put mine on the dyno to see what she lays down!

Just for reference- I live in Michigan and had LMS do my stage 1 tune (tuner, CAI, plugs, t-stat) and dyno. Stock: 279.76 whp & 323.37 Torque. After Tune: 355.03 whp & 402.26 Torque. This was done on about an 85 degree day.

 

[2012korn]

Tune, 3bar cars are yes.

 

[SilverSH0]

^not so true anymore. More and more guys are tune 3bar and tstat and getting just over 400whp.

Do you have any charts to show this? I would be skeptical of a tune only car gaining 125+ awhp. Plus, I haven't heard this happening.

If a company is reliably able to put out 400+ awhp while the reputable companies are putting out 350 awhp, one would think their tunes would spread like wild fire and be the talk all over.

 

[bpd1151]

Completely agree.

I have seen no cars on this platform, that are running a tune only, 3bar, & a tstat pushing 400+ at the wheels.

I call baloney.


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[2012korn]

Well since I've seen Tony's dyno sheets from BCB that put 405 at the wheels with tune 3bar and tstat. And bcb is spreading quite quickly.
Are 400whp cars common on basic tune setups. No, but they are out there. Like any platform tunes are advancing.

 

[SHOdded]

Brew City Boost, you mean? Would help to post dyno sheets. That is one relatively objective comparison method.

 

[2012korn]

Correct. I can ask Tony for a pic. But it's been posted hundreds of times on Facebook on pretty much every ecoboost page. It's not news at this point.

Again, I'm not saying it's just load a tune and be 400whp. That tune took quite a bit of time to get there. But it's possible. And I believe there are more guys close to that number then many think.

 

[StealBlueSho]

So being as I have have had SEVERAL different tuners tunes I think I have some merit here...

With all the bolt ons LMS advertises 380hp and 420tq with their 3Bar 4+X tune.

I have no doubt that there are other tuners hitting 400+ hp on their tunes. AJPTurbo posted great dyno numbers from his tune. clubsfit also posted a great 1/4 mile ET with the BCB tunes..

I have extensively looked at the datalogs of others cars running different tunes, my car running different tunes, and have really compared them to find a good safe tune.

I will tell you that there seems to be an exponential increase in heat production and fuel pressure loss to get to those 400+ numbers without Meth.

The LMS tunes, even the 4+X tune keeps IAT2 lower than any other tune, and fuel pressure never drops below 1900 psi. That gets you 380hp...

These guys pushing these 400+ tune only cars are really cranking it up.. their fuel pressure routinely drops below 1500 psi, their CAC/IAT2s are much much hotter, and over all its HOT tunes you are seeing.

IMHO they are great tunes to put out great numbers, and are really good for track day...

I foresee fuel pressure issues when the temps drops as the car requires more fuel on these tunes, and very unfavorable heat soak during the summer months.. this is all my opinion.

But I would think for an everyday tuned car, you want something that will run cooler and consistent...

There is a reason why LMS and Torrie have been around as long as they have without engine failures and seem to output close to similar dyno and ETs...



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[2012korn]

Well I don't think anyone pushing the car to the 400whp level is dumb enough to run that tune in winter.....heck, even my unleashed e20 tune that's pretty hot. Came with a warning from Torrie about cold weather.

400whp is possible. Whether a person decides to go that route, is only something they can decide themselves.

 

[SHOdded]

Correct. I can ask Tony for a pic. But it's been posted hundreds of times on Facebook on pretty much every ecoboost page. It's not news at this point.

Well, I am ready to be educated Is the same dyno sheet posted across pages, or different dyno sheets on different pages? Can you grab us some snapshots? TIA.

 

[StealBlueSho]

Well I don't think anyone pushing the car to the 400whp level is dumb enough to run that tune in winter.....heck, even my unleashed e20 tune that's pretty hot. Came with a warning from Torrie about cold weather.

400whp is possible. Whether a person decides to go that route, is only something they can decide themselves.

Problem is when you start dealing with people you realize not everyone has common sense... I guarantee you that there will be people running their race only 400+ hp tune all year round..

All it will take is one or two morons to blow an engine with one of these newer tunes to ruin thier reputation. And no one wants to see that happen because people are stupid.

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[2012korn]

Well, I am ready to be educated Is the same dyno sheet posted across pages, or different dyno sheets on different pages? Can you grab us some snapshots? TIA.

It's the same dyno sheet...he also ran a 12.2 the other weekend which backs up his hp numbers quite well. I'll see what I can do. I won't post his sheets without his permission.

 

[2012korn]

Problem is when you start dealing with people you realize not everyone has common sense... I guarantee you that there will be people running their race only 400+ hp tune all year round..

All it will take is one or two morons to blow an engine with one of these newer tunes to ruin thier reputation. And no one wants to see that happen because people are stupid.

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Of course. People are stupid, that's just a fact. I only have one or two more weeks on my e20 tune. Then I'm back to my normal downpipes tune.

 

[StealBlueSho]

Of course. People are stupid, that's just a fact. I only have one or two more weeks on my e20 tune. Then I'm back to my normal downpipes tune.

Right, my point really is I suppose is that major tuning companies are running a business. They live and die by reputation alone which means they make business decisions on which tunes they make generally available. Doesn't mean they can't make a tune that pushes 400+ non-meth... They won't because one blown motor will hurt their bottom line. And at the end of the day it's all about the pennies...

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[2012korn]

Bcb is well known and an actual business unlike a certain tuner we all hate.....

 

[2012korn]

Here is a 400whp. Tune 3bar and tstat dyno sheet. And yes, there was e85 mixed.