Buying tomorrow, deal or no

[METHEDUP]

I've been planning to buy a 2010 sho. It's a black 2010 with navigation. Problem came last week when I was leaving to pick it up, ran a carfax and found it was wrecked in 2011 with 20,000 miles. It now has 94,000. I called the dealership that performed the repairs and was emailed an invoice for repairs they performed. As of now my buy price is $15,200 which is about $2000-3000 less than I'm able to find them for in my area and most are white and I'd prefer the black. Also it still has a clean title(not salvaged or rebuilt ect.) I've looked the car over multiple times and it looks as if the accident was minor and repairs performed by the ford dealer were top notch. Damage was to the rearend and there was no actual frame damage but it did slightly bend the end of the bumper frame rails and they were straightened(just the flat mounts on the end, no more than 2" in.)Just looking for others thoughts on the overall price. NADA is $16,000. Thanks for any help/advice/ or comments. I plan to pick it up tomorrow unless I find a major problem. On the test drive it drove straight with hands off the wheel, no odd noises, and handled great. Only small issue was it pulls VERY slightly to the left when on the breaks hard(and that was hitting the breaks hard at about 110mph hands off the wheel). I'm no genius but consider myself pretty comfortable working on/diagnosing cars, never taken a car to a shop for repairs. Just looking for thoughts on the price being right. I will try to attach the invoice from the repairs in 2011. The invoice overlaps slightly from page 1-2. Thanks again

 

[SHOdded]

Check the tires and alignment for the pull. But if it looks great, and drives great, next step is the warranty you will get. Without warranty, you could be in a whole bunch of trouble unless you are an avid DIY'r. Ford warranty is best.

Also, I don't see parking aid sensors or rear camera listed. I assume they were somehow unaffected by the accident?

This is what ETIS is showing for this car:


* Illustration shows model only
Taurus, 3.5L DOHC V6 Petrol T/C, Tuxedo Black Metallic

VIN Number: 1FAHP2KT5AG162478
Primary Features
Build Date: 30.03.2010
Vehicle Line: Taurus
Body Style: 4 Door Saloon
Version: SHO
Engine: 3.5L DOHC V6 Petrol T/C
Transmission: 6 Speed Auto Transmission 6F55
Drive: LHD 4WD (PTD)
Axle Ratio: 2.77
Emission: With California/Green State Req
Air Conditioning: High Capacity Air Conditioner
Territory: (+)"USA"
Paint: Tuxedo Black Metallic

Minor Features

• Charcoal Black Interior
• Leather W/Perf Suede
• Fr Dr Scuff Plate - Met Insert
• With Rear Door Scuff Plates
• With Heated/Cooled Front Seats Only
• (-) Version Packages
• Chicago Plant Build
• With English Language Label
• Owner Hand Book Pack
• Power Front Windows One Touch Up/Do
• With Film Centre Panel
• With Aluminium Instrument Panel
• Overhead Console W/Moonroof Switch
• Hi Line Cubby Box - Vinyl
• Interior Trim Accent Pack K
• Front Throw In Mats With Logo No.2
• With Power Rear Sunblind
• Less Load Area Cover
• With Load Retention Net
• With Rear Spoiler
• Electrochromic With Blue Tooth
• 4 Door Saloon
• Dual Pwr/Htd/Mem/Fld/E'Chr/Pud Lamp
• With Heated Rear Seats
• With Driver 10 Way Pwr Seat Adjust
• With Pass 10 Way Power Seat Adjust
• With Programmable Driver Seat
• Body Coloured Exterior Door Handle
• Gearshift ****-Ltr/Chr No Hill BT
• Keyless Entry - Key Fob/ID Card
• Rain Sensor - Fr Windscreen Wiper
• Less Heated Washer Fluid
• Single Panel Moonroof
• With Front Licence Plate Bracket
• Side Air Bag - 1st & 2nd row
• 17" Mini Steel Spare Wheel
• With Tyre Pressure Sensors
• 20" X 8 Cast Alum - Premium Paint
• P245/45R20 V Rated
• Spare Tyre - T155/70D17
• Less Immersion Heater
• With California/Green State Req
• With Suspension D
• 2.77
• 3.5L DOHC V6 Petrol T/C
• Dual Exhaust
• With Chrome Exhaust Pipe Extension
• With IVD/Traction Control/ABS
• Normal Fuel Fill
• Less Floor Mats-FIA
• Less Remote Starter - FIA
• Select Shift Tech (SST) W/Pad Shift
• Non Locking Capless Fuel Fill
• For Unleaded Fuel
• With Memory Adjustable Foot Pedals
• With Electric Power Steering
• With Manual Tilt/Slide Stg Column
• Strg Wheel Lea/Pad Shf/Multi Funct
• Adp Spd Cnt-Coll Mit & FWD Sns
• With MPH/KMH Speedometer
• With Compass Display
• With Reverse Proximity Sensor
• Less Speed Audible Warning Device
• With Blind Spot Monitoring
• Perimeter / Volume Theft System
• Medium Duty Battery
• AM/FM Str/CD/Clk/Navig System
• With Satellite Radio Reception
• North America + RBDS Radio Freq
• Branded Audio Sound System
• With Media Gateway Module
• With Garage Door Opener
• With Power Point Plug - Rear
• Rear View Camera-Fixed
• With Auxillary Lights
• High Intensity Discharge Headlamp
• Less Daytime Running Lamps
• With Ambient Lighting-Interior
• Tail lamps - Level 2
• Tuxedo Black Metallic
• Generic Country Group 1
• 6 Speed Auto Transmission 6F55
• Taurus
• SHO
• (-) GVMT Service Administration
• (-)"CDN"
• (-)"GU"
• (-)"BRN"
• (-)"BZ"
• (-)"ATG"
• (-)"KOR"
• (-)"AW"
• Less Fleet

 

[brucelinc]

Wow...the prices must be higher in your area. That sounds like a VERY high price for a 2010 with 94,000 miles and an accident repair record. Not trying to dissuade you but I am shocked at that price. Maybe I need to come to your area when I am ready to sell my 2010 MKS!

 

[rubydist]

NADA is close to $16,000 and the books are a little low compared to the actual market in our area, so $15,200 is a little high but not much for a car that has had significant damage.

Note that what you posted above is just the Supplement to the original damage repair estimate, not the entire thing - there was another $5000 of repairs that were done. The fact that they replaced the rear header panel means it was damaged worse than they originally thought when they estimated it. The good news is that they replaced the panel rather than leaving it wrinkled. However, they repaired the rear floor pan, so I would look closely to see if there are still wrinkles in that. The fact that it has been driven another 70k miles since then is a good sign that the car drives right.

What I would be most concerned about is the quality of the paint job on the repair. It has been long enough that you will be able to find signs of an inferior quality paint job, if it is - fading, peeling, blistering, color match issues, etc. I would look very carefully for that and if that all looks perfect, then move forward. However, if I find paint issues, I would move on to another candidate, because paint issues are expensive to fix and very annoying to me on an expensive car.

 

[METHEDUP]

Thanks for the advice. I did not see any wrinkling. The paint looks flawless and I've tried over and over on different days and different lighting to find a difference in paint and can not. I have service records since day one, it's always been serviced at the ford dealership and doesn't seem to be eating hubs, cv's, ect. I am heading back down there soon to give it a final look and talk with them about the price. I appreciate the input. I was just curious what current owners would think of that price.

 

[METHEDUP]

Also SHOdded I didn't see anything on there about replacing or repairing the bumper cover, just the bumper clips, but surely they must have replaced the bumper if it bent the rail tabs. The only things that show it had ever been in and accident are the bumper rail ends and I can see they didn't replace the trunk and realigned it so the paint around the washers on the trunk to trunk hinge(slight half moon of no paint) were what sparked my suspicion.

 

[SHOdded]

Make sure the sensors and camera are working then. What warranty is on the table?

 

[METHEDUP]

No warranty

 

[Devin]

Price seems okay (not taking into account the collision), and owning a used car means owning other peoples' problems, but I'd probably pass unless they dump the price or if you need transportation immediately.

 

[METHEDUP]

Well just bought it at 14,800. Will probably be posting soon looking for solutions to the problems I bought into haha. Thanks for everyone's help/input

 

[rubydist]

good luck!

 

[Ec0b00st]

Dude, that's a horrible deal. Nearly 100k miles and wrecked?

My buddy just picked up a 2013 SHO loaded with 27k miles on it for 19,999...

 

[METHEDUP]

Yea I know it wasn't the best deal but I had to buy something soon. It was $1,200 less than nada. Your buddy got a steal. NADA on a 2013 with 23,000 miles is $27,000. I wish I could have got a deal like that but in the st.louis area you are lucky to find a dealer selling at nada or even close. So far I haven't found any major problems(fingers crossed). I will be putting it on the lift tomorrow to check everything out a little better. It's to late to go back now and hopefully I didn't get bent over to bad. So far I'm happy with it but only 500 miles in its to early to be sure.

 

[2014 TUX/BL SHO]

Dude, that's a horrible deal. Nearly 100k miles and wrecked?

My buddy just picked up a 2013 SHO loaded with 27k miles on it for 19,999...

My 2014 with 28,00 miles was $26.5k (a couple of thousand under book value at the time). And your friend's 13 was wayyyy under priced, retail is almost 27k:

NADA Values 2013 Taurus SHO w/27,000 miles
(minus mileage plus the addition of some options)

Rough Trade-In $21,075
Average Trade-In $22,475
Clean Trade-In $23,600
Clean Retail $26,600

 

[2014 TUX/BL SHO]

Well just bought it at 14,800. Will probably be posting soon looking for solutions to the problems I bought into haha. Thanks for everyone's help/input

Congratulations! Provided the car was repaired properly and initial damage was minimal, your price was definitely ok. You didn't get ripped off.

 

[JoE-FoSHO]

Congrats on your SHO! Soooooo now I am too in the market for a newish SHO because my Red SHOfia got in to it with a another car.
It was totaled and my insurance paid it off. I'm all in one piece just a minor scratch on my nose from the airbag.

Now I'm looking at 2013 or newer SHO for the right buck. All the SHO's that I came across here in Texas go about 23k-30k. I think I found the one but want you guys opinion on it.
It's a 2015 w/13,500 miles on it. The dealer has it priced at 27.8k and I was able to negotiate it down to 25.8. Should I pull the trigger guys?? My price range was max 22k but I feel like the extra 4k is worth it since the car is fairly new. Don't know if it's a PP! How would I check?

 

[SHOdded]

Wow, sorry to hear, JoE, hasn't been long since you had her ... Glad you are a-ok, these cars are well known for serving.

The 2015 price sounds good if it is in pristine condition. The dealer should have a window sticker that will tell you if it has the Perf Pkg on it, but you can also check the VIN at
https://www.etis.ford.com/vehicleSelection.do#

You will see in the summary at top the 3.16 final drive, which is a dead giveaway for the Pkg. There's other hints for sure, but that is the big honkin' sign.

Primary Features
Build Date: 28.03.2012
Vehicle Line: Taurus
Body Style: 4 Door Saloon
Version: SHO
Engine: 3.5L DOHC V6 Petrol T/C
Transmission: 6 Speed Auto Transmission 6F55
Drive: LHD 4WD (FTD)
Axle Ratio: 3.16
Emission: With California/Green State Req
Air Conditioning: Dual Zone Auto Temp Control A/C
Territory: (+)"USA"
Paint: Tuxedo Black Metallic

 

[rubydist]

JoE, that would be a good deal in this part of the country.

 

[JoE-FoSHO]

Thanks SHOdded I was looking all over for that website. In my understanding I thought all PPs came with the oil cooler. I looked up the car and it does have the 3.16 axle ratio but when I do a word search and scan for oil cooler it say "less oil cooler"
Either way I'm going to the dealership tomorrow to wheel and deal some more. I will let you guys know the outcome. Maaaaan I really miss my SHO! I'm stuck driving a mountain of a truck Excursion.
Thanks rubydist!