What r the effects of STB?

[jayro]

So I installed a rear STB in my '94 MTX and was thinking about putting in a front as well. My question is for people that have them installed. How do they change the behavior of the car? What effects did you notice in handleing? Thanks.

 

[shobote]

So I installed a rear STB in my '94 MTX and was thinking about putting in a front as well. My question is for people that have them installed. How do they change the behavior of the car? What effects did you notice in handleing? Thanks.

It helps with traction coming out of corners, redicing a few creaks and groans, and reducing torque steer with my setup. If you don't have them yet, full length SFC's will really help and combined with STB's results in a much more solid platform.

 

[SHOspazz92]

I never saw the point of one in the front considering how close the strut towers are to the firewall. The previous owner of my track car also swore up and down that it felt like it made the car push a little on the road course. Regardless, My S/C SHO and Ashley's SHO both have SHOshop front STB. I've only kept them on because they haven't gotten in the way yet. =)

I also fail to understand how it would help with traction coming out of corners, as a "softer" suspension setup is wanted on the front of a SHO (In certain aspects) with no Quaife, with the idea being that the front wheels are more independent of each other keeping the inside tire from spinning coming out of a corner (Because its more firmly planted on the ground, instead of lifting up as the outside tire/suspension is compressed). That is why it is suggested for people with no Quaife to run a smaller front bar in road race/auto-x situations.

-Sam

 

[hawkeye18]

So I installed a rear STB in my '94 MTX and was thinking about putting in a front as well. My question is for people that have them installed. How do they change the behavior of the car? What effects did you notice in handleing? Thanks.

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[jayro]

http://bit.ly/H8OvQ5

Contains all the information you could possibly need.

Yeah, I did google it. I didn't find anything specifically discussing effects on the Gen 2 SHO. That is why I asked here.

 

[jayro]

It helps with traction coming out of corners, redicing a few creaks and groans, and reducing torque steer with my setup. If you don't have them yet, full length SFC's will really help and combined with STB's results in a much more solid platform.

I have SFC....and they are a huge improvement. I had heard that the rear STB's help, but the fronts dont do a whole lot. Did you notice any added pushing in the corners as Sam mentioned? This was mentioned to me by another local member, but since he didnt get an alignment after the install I didnt know if it was related to the STB or to the alignment. Thanks

 

[Bob Gervais]

You don't need an alignment after installing a front STB.

 

[jayro]

You don't need an alignment after installing a front STB.

Then I'm all out of wack. I thought that if you loosened all 3 bolts on the top of the front strut assembliesthe assembly could shift and if they don't get put back in the same spot then it could mess with your alignment.

If this is wrong, please let me know.

 

[Bob Gervais]

I thought that if you loosened all 3 bolts on the top of the front strut assembliesthe assembly could shift and if they don't get put back in the same spot then it could mess with your alignment.

Anything is possible, but generally, if you install the STB with the car on the ground, nothing will move.

 

[jayro]

Anything is possible, but generally, if you install the STB with the car on the ground, nothing will move.

Thanks for the info. Obviously I have not had much experience messing with my own alignment. One of these days I'll try to set my own like the guy in the instructional You Tube video.

 

[jayro]

Found a thread specifically on this topic....the opinion of some very experienced track people is that they "Look Cool". They may help w/o SFC, but with them the front STB is ornamental. Thanks guys.

 

[vortex2450]

I haven't installed a rear STB yet but as far as the front goes if you have the awareness to notice small changes then you'll notice the front has a little more "bite" without a doubt.

I have ALSFB's, SFC's, Eibach's on Tokico's, and the addition of the front STB made a difference; mainly in turn-in response (crisp). Now, on a track or Auto-X, if you don't have a Quaife or Wave-Trac and have a front STB you're going to loose time because the wheels ARE going to hop and chatter every time you take a hard turn.

I know that the rear STB tightens up the back end but the also makes the rear end easy to throw out giving the car a "wobbly" a$$ end at speed, while fun it may not be what you're aiming for.

Just my $.02

-Josh

 

[Bob Gervais]

I haven't installed a rear STB yet but as far as the front goes if you have the awareness to notice small changes then you'll notice the front has a little more "bite" without a doubt.

I have ALSFB's, SFC's, Eibach's on Tokico's, and the addition of the front STB made a difference; mainly in turn-in response (crisp). Now, on a track or Auto-X, if you don't have a Quaife or Wave-Trac and have a front STB you're going to loose time because the wheels ARE going to hop and chatter every time you take a hard turn.

I know that the rear STB tightens up the back end but the also makes the rear end easy to throw out giving the car a "wobbly" a$$ end at speed, while fun it may not be what you're aiming for.

Just my $.02

-Josh

Worse advice couldn't have been given, IMNSHO.

A rear STB, while a noticable difference, won't make the car tail happy all on its own.

A front STB is, as mentioned above, ornamental. ****, I used to make and sell them, and even I would try to talk customers out of a FSTB for Gen 1 and 2 cars. If you felt a difference, it was most likely because you didn't want to think you spent money on something that doesn't make a noticable difference.

Wheel hop can be solved with a Gen 3 subframe swap, regardless of type of differential.

 

[Bob Gervais]

Thanks for the info. Obviously I have not had much experience messing with my own alignment. One of these days I'll try to set my own like the guy in the instructional You Tube video.

Not a problem! Years ago, the theory was that installing a FSTB will cause the alignment to be out. Especially true for those that installed the STB, then tensioned the crap out of it, thinking it was a better way to install. I suppose if you tensioned it enough, it could throw your camber out, but you'd have to really crank down on it to get it to do that.

My opinion would be to skip the FSTB, and put the money elsewhere. RSTB, SFCs, Gen 3 subframe and bushings, ZF rack, and then tailor your sway bars to what you intend to do with the car.

 

[vortex2450]

Worse advice couldn't have been given, IMNSHO.

A rear STB, while a noticable difference, won't make the car tail happy all on its own.

A front STB is, as mentioned above, ornamental. ****, I used to make and sell them, and even I would try to talk customers out of a FSTB for Gen 1 and 2 cars. If you felt a difference, it was most likely because you didn't want to think you spent money on something that doesn't make a noticable difference.

Wheel hop can be solved with a Gen 3 subframe swap, regardless of type of differential.

Oops, once again, I'm not an expert.

-Josh