SoCalSHO
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Is there any way to remove any indicators that a tune was on your car? Does removing the negative cable for ?? hours work? Or is it once you have/had a tune on it, it is marked for life?
Removing any indicators of a tune?
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steve142857
11's in '12 ; )
Ford dealers are now able to see if it was flashed even when returned to stock. I was told by my neighbor that is the responsible for parts at Ford dealer, apparently they had a special meeting from Ford Canada saying that if any issue with transmission to look for one digital foot print that apparently says if it was flashed and cannot be removed...
I guess we all have to keep our fingers crossed and hope that if we have an issue it can be resolved with an existing TSB, if not, even with a good relation with the dealer, they might not be able to pass it under warranty since they have to provide the digital foot prints...
Sorry!
I guess we all have to keep our fingers crossed and hope that if we have an issue it can be resolved with an existing TSB, if not, even with a good relation with the dealer, they might not be able to pass it under warranty since they have to provide the digital foot prints...
Sorry!
SHO U UP
SHO Guru
^What Steve said. Once it's been "flagged" from the tune, there is no way of removing it. This has been talked about for quite some time now. They do need to prove the tuner caused the issue, but if a powertrain problem occurs then good luck with claiming a warranty. If at any reason you are having doubts about it, DON'T do it.
I know I'm new here, so take my opinion for what it's worth, but I don't believe there is any kind of "flag" in the ECU. I've been around the Super Duty community for a long time, and with every new engine from the 6.0, 6.4, and now 6.7, everyone says the sky is falling and Ford has installed all kinds of gotchas in the computer, but there has never been anything definitive that proves this. It's all hearsay and anecdotal evidence. I've had a tuner on my 6.0 Powerstroke since it was new and never had a problem with warranty service. Now, I'm not saying if they really dig they can't find something, but I think it's pretty unlikely for anything short of blowing up the motor. On the Super Duty, a flash back to stock and a battery disconnect to clear the KAM then driving the truck enough to turn off P1000 and populate the KAM has always been enough.
It wouldn't be terribly difficult for them to include a counter that used one time programmable ROM, but I've never heard of this in any other Ford. If there are any techs here that could elaborate, I'd love to hear it because I'd like to know for sure myself.
It wouldn't be terribly difficult for them to include a counter that used one time programmable ROM, but I've never heard of this in any other Ford. If there are any techs here that could elaborate, I'd love to hear it because I'd like to know for sure myself.
Rick at LMS said there was a Ford guy there. He told Rick they cannot tell if a 2010 or a 2011 has been tuned. He said they are planning on doing something with the 2013 to tell if it has been tuned. Not sure who the Ford guy was, just passing what was told to me. Rick might be able to give some details. I just had my car in the dealer for the trans TSB and they never mentioned it to me. They might not have been looking either.
St Louis SHO
Rollin' coal
Theres a FAT spot in the PCM that changes when it gets flashed.
Good luck. Dare ya to try to buy a PCM and have it reflashed so you can be "slick" and get your warranty voided anyways!
Trust me, its there, and they know. Some dealers arent as smart as others though, so you might get lucky. I just dont see it.
Good luck. Dare ya to try to buy a PCM and have it reflashed so you can be "slick" and get your warranty voided anyways!
Trust me, its there, and they know. Some dealers arent as smart as others though, so you might get lucky. I just dont see it.
EcoBrick Bob
SHO Member
What's a WARRANTY anyway?????
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Hope this helps explain?? Right off the Ford Oasis system. Yes, they do keep track and the only way to clear is with a special interface tool connected to the Ford Technician System.
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RedCandySHO
Canuck SHO 2
LOL! I must have missed the line in the PDF that said "Flash Count".....
steve142857
11's in '12 ; )
If there is a TSB, you are ok, they don't need to justify to the BIG FORD, but if there is a problem with no TSB, they need to report and then they are going to look deeper and apparently there is a trace that only the BIG FORD has access, not the dealers... So, I was told and so the dealers were told (only a few weeks ago). So I don't know from which year they started that and/or if they just said that to the dealer so they pass the word to their clients to cool their envy to modify their cars... Because, the dealers are usually on our side, they don't care what we do to our cars, as long as they can justify their work on it, they are happy to bill the BIG FORD.
That's it!
P:S. BIG FORD equals Ford Canada or Ford US... lol!
SoCalSHO
Member
SHO U UP
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That's fine and all, but when something in the motor/trans lets go, there's no driving around to clear that P1000 code. And that code doesn't just go off that easily either. Several driving cycles are needed to remove that code.
Thanks, but it is not about doing it, it was done.
I hear ya man. More power to you....and the SHO, so to speak.
TonyTheTIger57
Tony
My engine blew in July they replaced my engine under warranty with no Questions asked.
steve142857
11's in '12 ; )
Had it been flashed before or any mods?
Fishrising
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steve142857
11's in '12 ; )
Scary that Torrie tune... Two broken trannies and one engine blown... ocuh! Not a good track record and probably not too many SHO were tuned, so I know I won't touch his tunes, even if they pretend to be good.. too risky for me.
EcoBrick Bob
SHO Member
Two trannies???? Who else? NESHO is running his own tunes, not Torries.
Steve,
Don't think you should criticize Torrie unless you know the entire situation. What fuel was the guy in St. L running? Engine Temp? other variables??? Torrie is an extremely competent tuner. Statements like yours are why Torrie doesn't post here anymore.
Steve,
Don't think you should criticize Torrie unless you know the entire situation. What fuel was the guy in St. L running? Engine Temp? other variables??? Torrie is an extremely competent tuner. Statements like yours are why Torrie doesn't post here anymore.
steve142857
11's in '12 ; )
I understand, it goes on two sides when a tuner decides to participate and promote in a forum... That said, it is true that I don't know the entire situation, but for what we know I still find it scary and therefore risky... I may have ben confusing Nesho and Torrie though and I am sorry for that. Still Livernois has a better track record and has tuned more also... Sorry again, I didn't want to offend anyone or blackmail but just reacting to the posts of an engine blown and broken tranny after having flashed his car with Unleashed tune... I thought and worte too fast that Nesho and Unleashed were Torrie's... oups!
EcoBrick Bob
SHO Member
Steve, you don't know how many EB Engines Torrie has tuned, and neither do I.
I will say two things. #1. If it wasn't a fuel delivery issue, why did Ford replace the Fuel pump, as that wouldn't have been damaged in this situation. #2. The MCT sensor lowers the advance and boost if the engine temp goes too high. Unless he was running a spray system to cool the MCT, there is NO way he was producing anywhere near the power at 117 deg as he would at 50. Torrie has warned me that my current tune, which was developed in 85-95 deg road temps in FL, may be to aggressive for cool temps. And... for both the Engine and Tranny to have issues at the same time, seems to be a very interesting coincidence.... Having run both Livernois & Torries transmission tunes, I am convinced they are almost identical. And... they are definitely better than stock.
I will say two things. #1. If it wasn't a fuel delivery issue, why did Ford replace the Fuel pump, as that wouldn't have been damaged in this situation. #2. The MCT sensor lowers the advance and boost if the engine temp goes too high. Unless he was running a spray system to cool the MCT, there is NO way he was producing anywhere near the power at 117 deg as he would at 50. Torrie has warned me that my current tune, which was developed in 85-95 deg road temps in FL, may be to aggressive for cool temps. And... for both the Engine and Tranny to have issues at the same time, seems to be a very interesting coincidence.... Having run both Livernois & Torries transmission tunes, I am convinced they are almost identical. And... they are definitely better than stock.
