LMSRick
Livernois
I don't think there is physically enough room for larger turbos. Darrell spoke to Turbonetics and they may experiment with difference size wheels in the factory shell.
-Rick
Darreli's 2010 SHO Dyno Video/Graph
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I don't think there is physically enough room for larger turbos. Darrell spoke to Turbonetics and they may experiment with difference size wheels in the factory shell.
-Rick
Racer X
SHO Pilot, Retired
Racer X
SHO Pilot, Retired
Look Zach, I'm not gonna shit in Rick's thread anymore than I have (Sorry Rick). Check your PM's...
SHO U UP
SHO Guru
I have to beg to differ on that. My stage 2 Comp cams in my truck helped create quite a bit more power than someone with similar mods and stock cams. Nonetheless, I doubt there will be cams available for the SHO anytime soon though.
86si
Member
How much power did you gain from them?
SHO U UP
SHO Guru
IIRC, in the 30+ hp range. Another guy went with Trick Flow heads and stage 3 cams and had 53 more horses than I did. But then again, you must have other supporting mods to accomodate the use of the cams. Just bolting them in to a stock motor will not yield a great amount of power.
typhoon5000
Ferd Enganear
The EcoBoost isn't a FlexFuel Motor. The ethanol will eat at all of the seals and I don't even know what it would do to the DI system. Is their a production FlexFuel DI engine out there?
86si
Member
PhantomX
New Member
I'm very curious about your tune Rick. Some questions though if you don't mind.
1. I live in FL have you done any hot weather (really flippin hot) testing with this tune to see how it reacts. Turbo's hate heat and I just imagine the knock sensors going gonzo trying to keep down detonation, of course if that's the case the motor isn't going to last long
2. Have you been able to data log this thing yet, I seem to recall some discussion around there being no real data logging so you were really just shooting in the dark with some of the original tunes. Also I heard the PCM is crazy difficult with a stupid amount of parameters that even turbine specialists are having trouble figuring out, what puts you guys "in the know?"
3. I noticed your graphs aren't showing A/F what's that look like or are you even taking that measurement? I would be curious to see how lean/rich you are running the car as well as what the overall timing looks like. I did a lot of tuning on my old Terminator Cobra and getting the timing right was a bit tricky and if it was wrong, well bye bye 4V. I was lucky, some others weren't playing with boost is a dangerous game.
4. On a scale of 1-10 how "safe" is your tune, some people really push the edge with these, can you confidently say it has longevity to it and isn't going to pop a motor if your a responsible driver (had to throw that in because some people are idiots).
I would absolutely love to tune the SHO but I'm a bit paranoid with this new engine, new design and a departure for Ford to go mainstream with a lot of Turbo cars. All the N/A Mustang and Cobra tunes out there are tried and tested in thousands of cars over years of abuse and they still run, this motor and setup and PCM is all new and the level of complexity is high and I think Ford sent out a warning with it's TSB that they don't want people messing with it. The Mustangs are pretty bulletproof and unless your an idiot you can tune them all day and they will stay together (all 5 of mine did and nary a warranty issue) but this car is another animal and I don't feel like departing with $10k to put in a new motor.
Sorry for the dissertation but I just want to be well informed before potentially putting myself in harms way.
Thanks,
Bill
1. I live in FL have you done any hot weather (really flippin hot) testing with this tune to see how it reacts. Turbo's hate heat and I just imagine the knock sensors going gonzo trying to keep down detonation, of course if that's the case the motor isn't going to last long
2. Have you been able to data log this thing yet, I seem to recall some discussion around there being no real data logging so you were really just shooting in the dark with some of the original tunes. Also I heard the PCM is crazy difficult with a stupid amount of parameters that even turbine specialists are having trouble figuring out, what puts you guys "in the know?"
3. I noticed your graphs aren't showing A/F what's that look like or are you even taking that measurement? I would be curious to see how lean/rich you are running the car as well as what the overall timing looks like. I did a lot of tuning on my old Terminator Cobra and getting the timing right was a bit tricky and if it was wrong, well bye bye 4V. I was lucky, some others weren't playing with boost is a dangerous game.
4. On a scale of 1-10 how "safe" is your tune, some people really push the edge with these, can you confidently say it has longevity to it and isn't going to pop a motor if your a responsible driver (had to throw that in because some people are idiots).
I would absolutely love to tune the SHO but I'm a bit paranoid with this new engine, new design and a departure for Ford to go mainstream with a lot of Turbo cars. All the N/A Mustang and Cobra tunes out there are tried and tested in thousands of cars over years of abuse and they still run, this motor and setup and PCM is all new and the level of complexity is high and I think Ford sent out a warning with it's TSB that they don't want people messing with it. The Mustangs are pretty bulletproof and unless your an idiot you can tune them all day and they will stay together (all 5 of mine did and nary a warranty issue) but this car is another animal and I don't feel like departing with $10k to put in a new motor.
Sorry for the dissertation but I just want to be well informed before potentially putting myself in harms way.
Thanks,
Bill
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LMSRick
Livernois
Bill,
I don't blame you for being cautious when tuning your car. I can assure you, our tune is somewhat conservative but makes excellent power. See my responses below in red.
Regards,
Rick LeBlanc
Livernois Motorsports
I don't blame you for being cautious when tuning your car. I can assure you, our tune is somewhat conservative but makes excellent power. See my responses below in red.
Regards,
Rick LeBlanc
Livernois Motorsports
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shobob
New Member
Are you going to have a tuner or is it going to have to be done in house?
we want time slips. we want time slips. we want time slips.
come on crowd help me out.
we want time slips. we want time slips. we want time slips.
LMSRick
Livernois
He went 12's :woo-hoo:
SHODWN
Mother Threasa
looks like you boys need to find some " closed roads" there to make some more videos next week..
Sorry guys, little slow to post. My best pass on Wednesday looked like this
60ft- 1.84
330'- 5.33
1/8 et- 8.3
1/8 mph- 81.86
1000'- 10.812
mph- 96.13
1/4- 12.91
mph. 105.86
temp was 77 degrees and that's with 100% torque management.
I picked up about a tenth and couple mph over my previous best with about 15 degree higher temp and the torque management back on which was completely off before. I'll have the torque management turned off this week and the Corsa on and we'll see the differences. The problem is I probably won't get that low of an air temp this summer.
60ft- 1.84
330'- 5.33
1/8 et- 8.3
1/8 mph- 81.86
1000'- 10.812
mph- 96.13
1/4- 12.91
mph. 105.86
temp was 77 degrees and that's with 100% torque management.
I picked up about a tenth and couple mph over my previous best with about 15 degree higher temp and the torque management back on which was completely off before. I'll have the torque management turned off this week and the Corsa on and we'll see the differences. The problem is I probably won't get that low of an air temp this summer.
SHODWN
Mother Threasa
Don't take the Tq reduction off.. its rattles the trans out of the car.. This is very unsafe to do..
