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I've done my research on this site and read the other nitrous threads. I've got a nitrous kit by NOS that comes with a chip. Its gonna be a dry kit, throttle operated. I just bought the 190LPH fuel pump and will get irridium plugs from NGK tomorow morning. My motor has about 180,000 miles, tho very well maintained. I bought it from a guy named Jared, who was very active in the SHO community when he owned it. Right now there is some oil in the plug wells, which will be taken care of this saturday. I've already got the lower intake gasketts and a few other peices that we need when fixing all that. My mods are listed below. I dont plan on abusing the nitrous or even using it that much. I have a big race with an '03 Mach 1 (stock) in about 2 weeks that will be on video so, my questin here is... am I on the right track? Most likely after this race, and maybe a few track runs I will be taking the kit out. We will race once from a dead stop and then from a 20MPH roll (or so). Does it sound like I would be safe with a 75 shot? Would it even do much of a difference for me? The '03 Mach 1's are rated at 305 HP, so I think it should be an even race. Is there anything else I should do (maintanence wise) to prep the car that ihavent already mentioned? Thanks!
 

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i dont know what kit u got that uses a chip but i wouldnt trust it. And the 75 shot will not make too much difference you will get slaughtered by the mach.
 

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Exactly, Unless your SHO with the 75 Shot will be a low 13 second car (which it wont), Then you have no chance. Dont mean to be a pesimistic Sam, But as tyler said, Your going to get slaughtered.
 

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Wow, I didnt think they were THAT fast, especialy on the highway where ours are strong. Hmmm.... great.


Josh: Im actually off tomorow. Ill be waking up ealry to clean the SHO if you wanna come.
 

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I think with the mods in your sig, you mite have a shot from a roll. From a dig, you start at a disadvantage, but who knows... crazier things have happend. ;)
 

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flosho said:
I think with the mods in your sig, you mite have a shot from a roll. From a dig, you start at a disadvantage, but who knows... crazier things have happend. ;)

Dont underestimate the Mach 1, Its not your average Push Rod GT, it does in fact have the 01 Cobra 32 Valve V8, With 03/04 Cobra heads (Best production Mustang Heads to date). The 32 Valve Four Sixers are Strong from a Roll.
 

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Ok so now I'm confused... do i have a shot from a roll with a 75 shot? And, have i followed all the steps in prepping the car so she can handle it?

Josh: how dare you call me at 8am! LOL, i dont wake up usually till around 1 or 2...... on a good day. And your right, the weather does suck so i wont be washing her today.
 

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The only real way to prep a car is build a car for nitrous. I think you should be ok only hitting the juice a couple of times. The only thing I would be worried about is leaning out the fuel and burning a piston but I dont think that has happened very much with a 75 shot. The other thing I would be worried about is the differential. I can't say that it won't break, but if you haven't abused it..it shouldn't. I don't know if you have a chance against the Mach or not. If your car is healthy it's putting down between 180-190 whp and about the same in torque. With the juice you're going to be getting (I would estimate) a 45-50 hp/tq increase to the wheels. So together you're putting down around 225-240 whp/tq. The Mach will put down around 250-260 whp and 260-270 tq. Thats just a number game though. Anything happens on the street. I say go for it.
 

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Well JC, you did say you were waking up early so i figured, what the ****.
Any ways, yeah weather wasnt to bad unless the cars wanst in a garage. were are you doing the work at? cause if you want you can come over, and put her in my garage, so we can work on her.
Another thing, were do you live? Im out 37 and 410. By Brauning Lake. I still want to meet up sometime. whenever your off give me a call.
 

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The differential should be fine unless you spin one tire. It's not the load of high hp that kills differentials, it's spinning one tire.

Think about it this way. When you do a one wheel burnout you're only spinning one side. The speedo is driven by the spinning differential, so that means that if the speedo reads 60mph (redline in 1st), then the one tire is actually going 120mph (one side stopped, one side going). Inside the differential, the one side gear is stopped and the differential turning at 60mph is spinning the other side gear at double that speed. If the side gear is going 120mph, it means that the spider gear pinions are going about 300mph. This is simply too fast for them to spin on their support shafts. The get hot, the shafts expand and the spider gear seizes to the shaft. This causes the shaft to spin and it shears the roll pin that holds the shaft into the differential case. After you've finished that smokey one-wheeled burnout, everything seems fine. But when everything cools down and the two pieces release from one another, the there's nothing to hold the pin in and "Out She Comes".

So my point is that it's not lots of hp that kills diffs, it's one wheel burnouts or the spinning of one wheel in relation to the other.

The Quaiffe differential is a Torsen style diff. It has a preloaded clutch system and side gears that are driven by worm gears instead of bevel gears. It's a much stronger unit than the stocker. It's also a Limited Slip type differential. We have them in stock for those that need them. We also have the overhaul parts and even complete transmissions....again for those that might need them.

Now about the nitrous. As most of you know, I'm an old nitrous ******. These engines will take a ton of nitrous....if properly done. I was squeezing 150hp of juice in the car and ran a couple of seasons on the same set of plugs. Nitrous is rough on rod bearings and the rings. The bearings take a ton of load as the nitrous increases the torque. The rings have to seal all the additional pressure and keep it in the combustion chambers. The biggest problem with running the bottle is keeping enough fuel in the mix. Most of the time, you won't know it's leaning out until it gets so lean that you melt something. Also, most of the time you'll melt a spark plug and it'll simply drop the hole. This is why I advocate copper plugs. I like the plug to be the weakest link and the first thing that melts when things get too hot. I don't like to run colder plugs for the same reason. Platinum and euridium plugs will last longer when the going gets tough. This is especially bad in a case where the cylinder is leaning out, because the next thing to go is the exhaust valve. I've got SEVERAL examples of what happens when my setup was too lean and the plug survived (or kept firing even after it melted). The exhaust valves in these engines are small and don't transfer heat to the cylinder head very well (the exhaust seat and stem is how the heat is transferred - none of which is very big in these engines). When the valve gets too hot, it melts and gets cut like a torch. When this happens, you loose compression and drop a hole. It's an expensive and time consuming repair.

Lean is mean, but with nitrous, it's better to be too fat than too lean.

So the bottom line is that these engines are plenty capable of handling the biggest nitrous kit, you just have to do it right and have the proper respect for the equipment and what you're asking it to do.
 

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IS YOUR CAR STOCK OTHER THAN NITROUS???
I have a 93 MTX 65K with a 75 shot (NOS dry kit) with a couple minor upgrades (MAF,Flowmaster) and I wouldn't be able to touch a mach 1. Kind of dissappointing isn't it? I would just place a bet with a mid 90's stock mustang gt (215hp) and get his paycheck. You would have a better chance in a rolling start, but I couldn't see it happening against a mach 1 that throws down 305hp. Do it for fun, not money. Unless you got some to blow.
 

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Unless of course this guy doesn't know how to drive, and roasts his tires through 1st and 2nd.
 

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2L8V8_4sho said:
The Mach will put down around 250-260 whp and 260-270 tq. Thats just a number game though. Anything happens on the street. I say go for it.


275-HP
300-TQ

...You will loose from a dig,you might have a chance from a roll
 
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