will a narrow band work

[jayro]

I know that you should always use a wide band O2 for tuning purposes, but would a narrow band atleast alert me of a lean condition? I currently am NA (with bolt ons) and am just looking for some peace of mind. Plus I amm considering adding N20 to the mix in the semi-near future. I was just looking for some peace of mind prior to me being able to get a tweecer/wideband set up. A narrowband is only $60. With the N20 I will also be pulling a little timing and running colder/copper plugs. Thanks

Jeremy

 

[yamahaSHO]

Yes, a narrow band will tell you if there is a lean condition, however, it will constantly tell you lean/rich over and over again. It will only stay lean if it is running pretty lean for an extended amount of time.

As for "peace of mind", how's this... With those bolt ons and being NA, you're not going to hurt anything unless you were trying.

Why would you spend $60 on a narrow band sensor? Your car already has two of them. Before you guy a TwEECer and WBO2, I really suggest learning the difference between the two sensors and how they work, as well as read up on tuning.

 

[SHOZ123]

It's not so much the sensor as it is a gage that would be specifically calibrated to the narrow band which only puts out .0V to 1.0V. Any resistance in the circuit would throw the values way off too.

 

[SASHO91]

I'm going against the grain here... But I know when something is a miss with my narrowband a/f gauge. With that said though, I would never suggest trying to tune with one or anything of the like with it. It does give out some decent information, but only at WOT.

For instance, one time while on the bottle, I saw my a/f drop out of the "green". I shut it down, and pulled the car over. Sure enough one of the vacuum lines popped off.
Like I said, it's a great tool to give you a general idea about what's going on, but you should NOT try to do anything other than watch it.

 

[SHOZ123]

I don't know why more people will not get wide band O2s. They are very functional and tell you exactly what the AF is. I use one with a small digital interface that Velcros about anywhere. Easily see too.

 

[SASHO91]

Mine's still on back-order... that's why.

 

[kzoosho]

I have a innovate lc1 and have had a Zeitronix zt2 both great widebands. I would never try to tune off a nb. I did once and well it didnt work out so well. Unless you have added a bigger maf or a ton of time you will be fine n/a also.

 

[hawkeye18]

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.htm

FTW.

 

[yamahaSHO]

Chris and I have tuned off of a NB and got the tune very close. A NB can be very useful, but it's just not as good as a WB.

 

[kzoosho]

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.htm

FTW.

Not a bad setup but for the price i would just get a lc1 .

 

[SASHO91]

Chris and I have tuned off of a NB and got the tune very close. A NB can be very useful, but it's just not as good as a WB.

Just to be clear on that, to the OP, you really need to know what your'e doing when you try to tune on a NB gauge. Jason, I know you know this... just making it VERY clear to the OP that way we don't have a thread in a week that reads, "I just blew my engine from tuning it".
If your'e set on tuning with a NB setup, I would suggest tuning the car with a voltmeter rather then with the flashy light gauge. IMHO, the flashy light gauge is kind of a smart-person idiot light... if you will.

But I agree ten fold, WB is THE only way to properly monitor the A/F.

 

[Brett]

I don't know why more people will not get wide band O2s. They are very functional and tell you exactly what the AF is. I use one with a small digital interface that Velcros about anywhere. Easily see too.

price?

Dude quoted 60.00 for NB.

shosource WB: 240.00

I'm sure it can be had cheaper but not that cheap.

 

[SHOZ123]

So you spend $60 on a POS that does not tell you crap?

The Innovate LC-1 will also simultaneously act as both a WBO2 and a NBO2.

 

[hawkeye18]

It will tell you the Lambda or AFR to .01. Isn't that kind of the point of a WB display? What else is it supposed to tell you? The temperature outside?

 

[SHOZ123]

It can also act as a Narrow Band for the PCM while still data logging or reading out an actual AF mix.

 

[kzoosho]

the innovate lc1 is 199 brand new.

 

[Phoenix]

Shonut's PLX Is in the 160$ if I recall correcly.

Mine works like a charm.

 

[jayro]

Shonut's PLX Is in the 160$ if I recall correcly.

Mine works like a charm.

I will have to look into this....if it's only $100 more I would probably just get the WB. I am aware that you should not tune with a NB, it was just a peace of mind thing (since I do have a LPM/MAF mod and am thinking of N2O) until I could afford the correct set up.
As far as tuning....the car is my toy and I do all the work myself as a hobby...so I plan on looking at the tuning myself. With that being said, I would DEFINITLY do an abudance of research and inlist the help of people that were esperienced in the field proir to changing anything.

I REALLY don't want to start a thread titled "I just blew my Engine".

Jeremy

 

[shoclown]

you could use a EGT for tunning with the narrow band. both are cheap

 

[thecrew2999]

Yes, a narrow band will tell you if there is a lean condition, however, it will constantly tell you lean/rich over and over again. It will only stay lean if it is running pretty lean for an extended amount of time.

As for "peace of mind", how's this... With those bolt ons and being NA, you're not going to hurt anything unless you were trying.

Why would you spend $60 on a narrow band sensor? Your car already has two of them. Before you guy a TwEECer and WBO2, I really suggest learning the difference between the two sensors and how they work, as well as read up on tuning.

im proud of you that was a pleasent reply