whole lotta work for nothing.......

[snoman]

That's not exactly true, but I sure am getting frustrated.

Ok, a few weeks ago I'm leaving work and it's slightly damp out. I'm taking a turn and give it a bit too much before I let the clutch out and get some wheel spin. I let off and expect the slight jerking when the tires catch except I get total engine failure. I thought I killed it so I just start turning it over, but to no avail. luckily someone helped me push it into a parking lot so I wasn't taking up the left lane for very long. I get a friend to come over and I try jumping it....nothing. So I leave it till the next day.
I come back after visiting here and doing a search and decide it's the CPS/CKP. Luckily I'm in the NAPA parking lot so I get all I need for replacing the sensor and pull some strings to get a nice heated garage with pnumatic tools to help me (I bought the sensor previously thinking I needed it, but didn't). After a few weeks I get her all stripped down, replaced and put back together. I try to start her up and she won't do it. The engine turns over, the tach doesn't dive to zero like it did, but it sounds like it's not getting compression. We checked and it's getting spark and fuel, but no start for some reason.

It seems like some other sensor that the engine needs to work has gone bye bye, but I don't know what that sensor would be. I did a search, but I didn't find any topics that were exactly like my problem. I honestly am at a loss as to what could be wrong now. I was thinking maybe the cam pos. sensor, but I don't have a clue where that is to check it out.

Any help is GREATLY apprieciated, and I mean GREATLY! I want my baby back on the road, especially being that since I'm working on her I'm going to be putting on my suspension parts(tokicos and intrax) and I want to test them out asap!

 

[AutoSHO]

Did you check the timing belt when you changed the crank sensor? Sounds like it just skipped timing.

 

[betterman]

Did you at least check the codes first. It might have saved you alot of that work. Did you check to see if your timing was still on when you replaced the sensor? Thats what I would check is to see if maybe the timing belt never slipped and now the engine is off time.

 

[Denny]

I'm seconding the skip timing that or make sure you put every bolt back on the intake...especially the two on the crossover pipe, those are grounding bolts

 

[snoman]

I checked the codes and the only one that came up was a 114 (IAT out of range).

So you guys think that the timing belt might have skipped a tooth and now the timing's off. Hmm, it's more of an idea than I have right now, but that doesn't sound like fun digging through all that engine again......but hey, I don't really have a choice do I.

I'll put that on my "if all else fails do this" list.

P.S. "crossover pipe" ?? There are many pipes that cross over a lot of stuff, please be a bit more specific or I'll be all turned around.

And I didn't have any bolts left over after I was done, so I pretty positive I put all the bolts back where they should be.

EDIT: just for reference, quite a few months ago I did pull a 211 after I went into a car wash and got the "tire cleaner" spay right into the side of the engine bay which created a misfire. That's when I bought the CPS, but the car really didn't have any problems after I replaced the wires and plugs.

 

[MOSHO92]

Judging by the incident that caused the failure, and the fact that it hasnt started once since then.... Did you happen to check the fuel pump cutoff switch in the trunk?

 

[F-22 Raptor SHO]

wait a sec before you go tearing everything apart....you say it has fuel and spark....you verified fuel how? Fuel pressure?

Must check codes before ever cutting into the motor to replace a sensor.

Did you align the cams correctly and match up all the white lines on the belt....for 3.0 right not 3.2

 

[snoman]

Judging by the incident that caused the failure, and the fact that it hasnt started once since then....Did you happen to check the fuel pump cutoff switch in the trunk?

It started a couple times the next morning when I was going to buy the parts. I then went into NAPA, came out, and no more start.....and just for s&g's, where is the fuel pump cutoff switch?

wait a sec before you go tearing everything apart....you say it has fuel and spark....you verified fuel how? Fuel pressure?

we verified this buy removing one of the spark plugs, setting it so it was grounded on the engine somewhere and turned her over a couple times. We could see the spark and smell fuel.

Must check codes before ever cutting into the motor to replace a sensor.

Did you align the cams correctly and match up all the white lines on the belt....for 3.0 right not 3.2

I did check the codes and nothing but a 114 came up. I didn't touch the cams or timing belt because that didn't need to be moved to get at the CPS.....and yes, a 3.0.

 

[Slo-Sho]

I didn't touch the cams or timing belt because that didn't need to be moved to get at the CPS.....and yes, a 3.0.

The gap is .030" as well.

One easy way to check is to verify that the CE light GOES OUT during cranking. If it remains lit, then the EEC isn't recieving the PIP signal from the CPS.

 

[SHOSIG]

Then you didn't replace the CPS. The timing gear HAS to come off in order for R&R. The gap is .030" as well.

I never had to remove the timing gear to replace the CPS. You can turn the motor and line up the "windows" and remove/install the sensor. Then turn the motor again to set the gap.

 

[Slo-Sho]

Thanks for the tip, I'll have to look into that.

 

[snoman]

so does the CPS need to be set to a certain distance from the timing plate? or can it just be centered by hand?