What does this ground strap go to?

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Halfway down the picture, all the way to the right, their is a ground strap that is not connected to anything. Where does it go connected, and what function does it serve? What is it grounding? The car in the pic is not mine, but mine has this strap disconnected.

I don't notice anything wrong with the SHO with this disconnected, so what does it go to?
 

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That looks like the ground strap that should be connected to the stud on the back passenger side intake manifold bracket. The other end of it should show you some braided silver strap. If you don't have a ground strap on the intake stud - that's it! The DIS etc wants that to be connected!
 

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mine actually came loose on my car about a month back, the only thing that was acting funny was my temp gauge, you do need to reattach it, i think it does something harmful to the computer or something? :confused:
 

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I've been getting pretty horrible gas mileage lately....i don't think that this would affect that tho.... :confused:

oh well, so it goes on the rear passenger side intake support bracket? i'll do that when i get home.
 

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Here is some good info.

Part One

Electrical Troubleshooting
Diagnosing Voltage Drop

One of the most rampant electrical maladies showing up in automotive service bays today is the phenomenon known as voltage drop. Left unchecked, voltage drop causes countless unsolved electrical mysteries, especially when it infects the ground side of a circuit. It can also trick you into replacing parts that are not bad.

The more connections and wiring a vehicle has, the more vulnerable the electrical system is to voltage drop.

To contain electrical voltage drop, practice safe electrical service. This means measuring voltage drop before reaching any conclusions. "Voltage dropping" a circuit tell you when the circuit is too restricted to operate a component (motor, relay, light bulb, etc.) or operate it correctly. If the circuit is restricted, repair it and retest. If there is no restriction and the component still does not run or run correctly, then replace the component.

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In this example, if the water pipe completely collapses, water stops flowing, pressure drops to zero and the water wheel stops turning. Electrically, the same thing happens when a wire falls off or a connection breaks. Current stops flowing, voltage drops to zero. A starter motor would quit or a headlight would go out.

Symptoms of voltage drop
Often confusing and contradictory, electrical voltage drop symptoms vary according to the circuit's job and the severity of the voltage drop.

inoperative electrical parts
sluggish, lazy electrical devices
erratic, intermittent devices
devices that work sluggishly or erratically during periods of high electrical loads
excessive radio interference or noises in the radio
damaged throttle or transmission cables or linkage
repeated throttle or transmission cable failures
damaged drivetrain parts
engine or transmission performance complaints
no-starts or hard starts
high sensor or computer voltages
erratic engine or transmission computer performance
false trouble codes in the memory of any on-board computer
premature or repeated A/C compressor clutch failure.
This symptom list brings up several points.

Visual inspections miss most cases of electrical voltage drop. You usually can't see the corrosion inside a connection or the damaged wire that is causing the problem.
Ground-side voltage drop, a commonly overlooked cause of electrical trouble, can cause most of these symptoms. Any circuit or component is only as good as its ground.
The more sophisticated electrical systems become, the more important their grounds are. The number of electrical components has increased rapidly and most do not have separate ground wires. Instead, these devices are grounded to the engine or body. Rust, grease, vibration and/or careless repairs often restrict the circuit from the engine/body back to the battery.
Many components such as engine sensors share a common ground. Therefore, a bad ground complicates diagnosis because it affects several components at once.
Some shop manuals and diagnostic charts or fault trees recommend checking grounds last. In reality, it is much quicker to check ground circuits before you climb that fault tree.
It's quicker and smarter to routinely check a circuit's voltage drop than it is to memorize long lists of symptoms. If experience has taught us nothing else, it's that chasing symptoms is no substitute for routine and thorough voltage drop testing.
Experience has taught us other reasons to check voltage drop first. Voltage drop, usually on the ground side, causes inaccurate or bizarre voltmeter readings and oscilloscope patterns. Moreover, when you connect a voltmeter or scope to a system with bad grounds, the test equipment itself can create a good substitute ground. This can be frustrating: as long as your equipment is connected, the circuit works and you can't find anything wrong!

Basic procedures
Whenever an electrical problem gives you fits, take a deep breath and think of the basic electrical building block, the series circuit. Drawings 1 through 7 show basic series circuits. No matter how complicated a system is you can always simplify it into mini-series circuits. Then, inspect each circuit for voltage drop.

Also, relate electricity to water flowing through a water circuit. Water pressure inside the reservoir pushes gallons of water through the pipe. The water turns the water wheel and then flows back into the reservoir. In an electrical circuit, electrical pressure (voltage or volts) pushes electrical volume (current or amps) through the circuit, operating a load. The load may be a computer, a motor, a lamp, a relay, or other device. In the water circuit, the water uses up most of its energy turning the water wheel. Water continues flowing toward the reservoir, but it flows at a lower pressure.

Likewise, electrical pressure (voltage) is used up operating the load. Therefore, voltage falls to about zero on the ground side, but current keeps flowing toward the battery. Because the voltage in a healthy ground circuit should be about zero, some technicians call it ground zero.

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A kinked return pipe restricts water flow back to the reservoir, slowing down the water wheel and causing a pressure reading on the return side of the wheel. Likewise, ground side voltage drop hurts load performance and causes a voltage reading at the ground side of the load.

Resistance—Restriction
When you think of excessive resistance, imagine a dent or kink that is restricting water flow through a pipe. Common sense should tell you that a kink anywhere in the water circuit (supply side or return side) restricts water flow, causing the water wheel to slow down or stop turning.
Excessive resistance has the same effect on an electrical circuit. Bad connections and broken or under size wires act like a pipe with a kink, restricting current flow. Like the water circuit, restricting current flow anywhere — hot side or ground side — hurts the performance of the load. The effect on the load is hard to predict because it varies with the severity of the restriction. For example, the motor in a restricted circuit may stop working or just run slower than normal.
A restricted circuit can cause an A/C compressor clutch to slip and prematurely burn out. A computer on a restricted circuit may shut off or else work erratically. When corrosion, loose connections or other types of resistance restrict a circuit, volts and amps both drop. If volts drop, amps drop too. That is why when you find a voltage drop in a connection or cable, you know the connection or cable is restricted.

Look at the water circuits in our drawings and remember two critical points. First, a free-flowing ground side is as important as a free-flowing hot side. Second, a ground side restriction is the only thing that causes voltage readings greater than 0–0.1V in any ground circuit.

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A completely collapsed return pipe stops water flow, stalling the water wheel and causing a system pressure reading at the return side of the wheel. Likewise, a broken ground wire totally blocks current flow, shuts off the load and causes the ground side of the load to read system voltage.
 

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Part Two

Voltage drop tests
Electrical voltage drop varies according to current flow. Unless you operate the circuit so current flows through it, you can't measure voltage drop. Because an ohmmeter's battery can't supply the current that normally flows through most circuits, ohmmeter tests usually can't detect restrictions as accurately as a voltage drop test.

Open-circuit problems such as broken or disconnected wires or connections stop current flow. After you fix an open circuit, switch the circuit on again and check for lingering voltage drop. Until you get current flowing and check the circuit again, you can't know if the entire circuit is healthy.

Although resistance-free connections, wires and cables would be ideal, most of them will contain at least some voltage drop. If your manuals do not list voltage drop values, use the following as maximum limits:

0.00V across a connection
0.20V across a wire or cable
0.30V across a switch
0.10V at a ground
Because most computer circuits operate way down in the milliamp range, they don't tolerate voltage drop as well as other circuits do. Note that a milliamp is one-thousandth (0.001) amp. The recommended working limit is 0.10V-drop across low-current wires and switches. Testing low-current circuits also requires a high-impedance (10-megohm) voltmeter. A low-impedance voltmeter may load a low-current circuit so much that it gives an incorrect reading or no reading whatsoever! Most professional-grade digital multimeters (DMMs) have 10-megohm input impedance. Using a DMM is the fastest way to accurately measure voltage drops. If the DMM you own does not have autoranging capability, use a low-voltage (0-1 V) scale for voltage drop testing. Remember that test lights are not accurate enough to diagnose electrical voltage drop.
Quick ground tests
Because ground circuit voltage drop can cause most of the symptoms listed earlier, consider adopting this new work habit: test grounds first! Before you do a tune-up, check out electrical problems, or test a starting, charging, ABS or air conditioning system, routinely test the engine and body grounds. Connect your DMM between the engine and negative battery terminal. Safely disarm the ignition and crank the engine for a few seconds.

If the voltage drop is excessive, repair the engine ground circuit and retest. Note that on some distributorless ignition systems, the simplest way to prevent the engine from starting during the ground test is to pull the fuel pump fuse. Next, connect the DMM between the negative battery terminal and the vehicle's firewall. Then start the engine and switch on all the major electrical accessories. Too much voltage drop? Then fix the body ground and retest.

Once engine and body grounds are within limits, proceed with your diagnosis. Do not be surprised if fixing these grounds solves the car's problems. The fact that a vehicle passes the body ground test does not mean you can safely ground your voltmeter wherever you want. Some technicians have run themselves in circles for hours because their voltmeters were not well grounded. For safe electrical service, make yourself a 20- or 30- foot jumper wire with an alligator clip on each end. When you have to test an electric fuel pump, lighting system or ABS computer in the rear of the vehicle, ground your DMM to the battery with the jumper wire.

Computer ground kinks
Because computer circuits operate on such low current, the standard ground tests may not reveal a marginal ground on an on-board computer. Before you condemn any on-board computer, check its grounds first. Operate the computer system and backprobe each computer ground terminal. If you measure anything greater than 0.10V, trace that ground circuit and locate the problem.

Sometimes, computer grounds are connected to a spot where they are easily disturbed or prone to corrosion, such as a thermostat-housing bolt. Computer connector terminals also can corrode. Removing the connector and spraying the terminals with electrical cleaner may be all it takes to eliminate the voltage drop.

Experience shows that as little as 0.30V on a computer ground terminal can cause trouble. Try pinpointing that with a test light! Poor computer and/or sensor grounds can cause higher-than-normal sensor voltages and false trouble codes. In many cases, the bad ground prevents the computer or sensor from pulling a voltage signal down to or near ground zero. Sure, accessing the computer to check grounds may be a hassle. Nevertheless, mistakenly replacing expensive sensors and computers is a bigger hassle.

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Connect a DMM across part of a circuit and it directly reads the voltage drop across that wire, cable, switch, or connection. Here, one DMM would display the voltage loss between the battery and the load. The other would show the voltage loss from the ground side of the load to the battery.

Body ground gremlins
Keep your eyes peeled for missing body grounds. If someone else worked on the vehicle, he may have forgotten to reconnect body ground wires or cables. Remember that when the body ground is restricted, current tries to find another route back to the battery. The easiest alternate route may he through the transmission shift cable or the throttle cable. Not only can this current weld the cable together, it also can pit or erode bushings and bearings inside the transmission.

If you find the insulation on the body ground wire is burnt or blistered, you can bet that starter current overheated the wire. When the engine ground is restricted, starter current tries to return to the battery through the body ground circuit. Experience shows that if the body ground circuit can handle the current load, the customer may not notice the problem right away.

Under periods of heavy current flow, a restricted body ground may hamper or shut off a component. For example, turn signals have been known to stop blinking when the driver steps on the brake pedal. Testing confirmed that a restricted body ground choked off the turn signals. The ground could not handle current from the turn signals and brake lights at the same time.

Safe service
Practicing safe electrical service helps you solve electrical problems quicker and more profitably than guessing and swapping parts. Put your DMM to work wiping out electrical voltage drop today. It is the responsible thing to do.
 

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that ground strap is for the ECM sometimes it won't have any effect on the vehicle but sometimes it won't run well at all it all depends on your luck. but it is connected to a stud on the back of the intake to head mounting bracket.
 

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GaryH said:
that ground strap is for the ECM sometimes it won't have any effect on the vehicle but sometimes it won't run well at all it all depends on your luck. but it is connected to a stud on the back of the intake to head mounting bracket.
^Good enough reason for me to deem that seemingly simple ground strap as critical. :boink:


Paul, that is great stuff you posted there. Really helps me understand the role of ground a lot better. The plumbing anology really puts it into perspective very well. :cool:

Jay, those ground straps are a fine idea and they even look pretty cool. And that is one clean Yamaha you have there. :hail:

:thumb:
 

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On my GEN 3 today I noticed that the surge tank supports, one on each side of the motor, are the only means of rear runner to front runner metal to metal contact.

I had removed one on the passenger side but they are both unique in their electrical paths. Guess I need to put the one back.
 

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In the list of potential maladies that can be caused by poor or insufficient grounding, please note the "damaged drivetrain parts". Failure to ground the static electricity developed can cause things like wheel bearing to be eaten up in a short period of time. The electrical charge in the cooling system will cause the hoses to deteriorate from the inside. This is only a couple of potential "mechanical" problems that can develop due to poor or improper grounding.

So, are good clean ground connections important? Keep in mind that the mechanical and electronic systems are INTEGRATED and interdependent, that is one does not work without the other. In order to have a circuit you MUST have "GROUND".

We should clean our battery terminals at least once or twice a year, and when we do this we should also clean the other end of these positive and negative connections to insure good contact. This should include all ground connections. Consider using something like Kopper-shield to coat connections and promote conductivity and minimize corrosion. Thanks SHOZ123.
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Further underscoring the importance of electrical grounds on automobiles, Ford even issued a TSB in '01 applicable to almost every FLM vehicle manufactured since the mid '80s, the subject of which is a problem with electrolysis caused primarily by poor grounding. Here's a summary of the TSB, Article 01-15-6:

ISSUE:
Some vehicles may exhibit (repeat) heater core leaks. This may be caused by a chemical reaction called electrolysis. Electrolysis involves an ion exchange between the heater core and engine coolant which can result in a breakdown of the heater core material. This is similar to the operation of a battery.

ACTION:
Check for electrolysis on any vehicle with a heater core failure. If electrolysis is verified, flush the coolant and follow additional steps as required. Refer to the following Service Procedure for details.

SERVICE PROCEDURE
Electrolysis Inspection
If there is a condition of a heater core leaking or repeat heater core leak, check for electrolysis using the following procedure:

1. To check for electrolysis use a DVOM set on DC volts. Place the positive probe of the meter in the engine coolant and the negative probe on the negative battery post.

2. Adjust engine throttle to 2000 RPM to properly get coolant flow and true electrolysis voltages.

3. If more than .4V is recorded, flush the coolant and recheck (follow guidelines in TSB 98-23-16 for Cougar).

4. If there is still excessive voltage present in the coolant, check the engine to body/battery grounds. Also, verify proper grounding of any aftermarket electrical/electronic equipment which has been installed into the vehicle. Improperly grounded electrical devices can cause electrolysis to occur.

5. If the condition is still present after the grounds have been checked, it may be necessary to add extra grounds to the heater core and engine. A hose clamp can be used to secure a 16 AWG stranded copper wire to the heater core inlet tube. The other end should be secured to an EXISTING FASTENER on the body sheet metal. Extra grounds to the engine should be attached between EXISTING FASTENERS on the engine and body sheet metal. Verify continuity of any added grounds to the negative battery terminal.

6. If the condition is still present, add a restrictor (part F1UZ-18D406-A) on the inlet hose with the arrow facing the direction of coolant flow (toward heater core). Cut the line and install with 2 hose clamps. It is important that the restrictor be installed in the right direction of flow and as close to the engine block as possible (not near the heater core itself).

PART NUMBER / PART NAME
F1UZ-18D406-A / Restrictor
See also, http://www.radiatorreporter.com/electrol.html
 

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Outstanding post Rockledge.

I hope the folks who are experiencing repeated heater core failures read it. This is another important reason to use distilled Ph neutral water in the anti-freeze mixture. The minerals in tap water, well water, and spring water will more readily promote electrolisis, especially iron.

This is one more reason why it is important to change the anti-freeze at least every other year. The concept of 100K mile anti-freeze, or life time anti-freeze, is OK but the reality is the anti-freeze (coolant) will develop a charge due to electrolisis. The charge can and will have a deteriorating affect on parts of the cooling system, eg the hoses and the heater core.

I thought is was BS that the coolant in the radiator, that is the cooling system, could have an electrical charge. I participated in a demonstration such as the one described in the TSB cited by Rockledge. I witnessed the measurement of voltage. I was "shocked". Pun intended.

The point, one more time, is that "grounds" are extremely important. rangerj
 

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everything produces an electrical charge, **** if you have a fine enough voltometer you yourself produce a slight charge. electricity is really an important thing to understand. if you work on cars and don't have a grasp on it you can only do so much.
 
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