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Do your homework, folks.

How many production FWD cars use mechanical friction-type LSDs? Zero.

This thing is a really poor design, and good SHO transaxles are too scarce to waste on crap like that.
 

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As we all know, SHO folk are not extremly patient. Reputations will make or break a vendor...looks like IPT may be taking a turn in the SHOshop direction.
 

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To IPT:

I am extremely appolled at the way you are handling your self. Not only is your grammer horrible, your customer relations pitiful, but you are acting like a baby. Lets see, why do people jump for the LSD? To upgrade a weak part of the SHO. Your arguement is that the SHO diff is weak which we all already know and which is the reason for the upgrade. If your "wanna-be" LSD can't handle the job on the SHO then why the **** are you wasting peoples time and money and since your so damn self-centered why are you wasting your time and money? I own a business, and you need to understand something here. THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. People pay 800 dollars to you for something that should replace a weak part of the SHO and they get this crap that lasts no longer than an oil change? If the diff is so weak then why is my SHO at 140k miles with no problems along with 1,000s more? You make no sense, and are deffinitely going to loose business over this. We don't work for you, you work for us, we are the customers and when you produce somthing that will not hold up and do what it is supposed to do and make false statements on your web site, then you have issues. I hope he does take you to court, you have balls for not offering a refund for that hunk of metal excuse for an LSD. I will NEVER buy anything from your company and you anger me and I've never even delt with you.
 

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unfortunatly, so true. we guys are left to our own devices, there will be a day (probably A LOT sooner than we expect) where you will not be able to FIND a used SHO MTX at all, let alone buy them for $30-$100 at the bone yard like many of us do today.

see ya,
Robby

JEM:
Do your homework, folks.

How many production FWD cars use mechanical friction-type LSDs? Zero.

This thing is a really poor design, and good SHO transaxles are too scarce to waste on crap like that.

<small>[ June 17, 2003, 07:02 PM: Message edited by: centaurus3200 ]</small>
 

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Ok, Ive read this and have seen some pretty big "oh-*****" on IPT's part with this particular part. Now Shawn, you keep bringing up the fact that it works well in Civics, Intgras, Supras, and who knows what else it has been used in. But so what??? It works great in those cars; a Civic CAI works GREAT in a Civic, but you put that in a SHO and it will suck!

The product is flawed, and I am taking Freds stance with this and that you are backpeddaling trying to stay on your feet, but your also shifting your stance everytime you post.

Like all great things, they look GREAT on paper, but when it comes to real life, it could suck...and well this is a perfect time to say, it didn't work...
 

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So the link in your signature is a old page huh? I understand how it works. I am just saying it doesnt act well for our cars. Where does the ground metal shavings go from the clutch packs? into the trans till the little magnet picks them up. anyone think of that? I dont think customers should have to ask How a distict package works. if it is detailed on thier website how it works. Also if the vendor was having problems and KNOW they had problems withthe diffs. why still produce them for customers? until proven? to not break. I also would like to know why I was never told about the possible gear problem until this time. Was it cause I didnt ask? I asked last time why it broke. I asked this time why it broke. Your diff Shawn is different than any others produced you told me that yourself. last time you fixed mine. Remember? I am not tryting to get in a match here. I would just like to get this over with. Are you willing to send me a stock diff? if not I am willing to accept another IPT DIFF. but would you be willing to send another Main Shaft and fith gear shaft? both of them were also distroyed from the side gears grinding through the teeth. If the website is not updated then Please take the link off your profile. Because I just clicked and same thing. Do you have to machine this diff unit? I do have all the ground up parts. to send you back.
I will not replace the interioir parts. SHO SHOP did not replace 2 of my motors when thier valve springs broke. it is a performance part yes. but I warranty it. I will warranty this diff. HOWEVER you dissasmebled it I do not HAVE to warranty it becasue you personally dissasembled it. keep smarting off and I will not warranty it. sure I will get you a stock diff. whatever.


I called the web site admin and it has the old description. from when they were not warrantied. The new description I gave was not updated. that is why I was surprised.

I know you are trying to catch me in a lie or make me look dishonest. you can try.
 

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Porkchop:
Ok, Ive read this and have seen some pretty big "oh-*****" on IPT's part with this particular part. Now Shawn, you keep bringing up the fact that it works well in Civics, Intgras, Supras, and who knows what else it has been used in. But so what??? It works great in those cars; a Civic CAI works GREAT in a Civic, but you put that in a SHO and it will suck!

The product is flawed, and I am taking Freds stance with this and that you are backpeddaling trying to stay on your feet, but your also shifting your stance everytime you post.

Like all great things, they look GREAT on paper, but when it comes to real life, it could suck...and well this is a perfect time to say, it didn't work...
well that is funny. I have not seen a lot of OH ***** really.

why don't you re think about what you just wrote.

oh wait I forgot the Taurus SHO is some marvelous car that defy's the law of physics and is unlike anyother car. we tried and tried and tried it is not like we did not make changes to make things better. lets not forget to mention only one has blown up since version 2. ONE.

it looks good on paper but I guess you will really never know until you try.

I see no back pedalling. I am telling the truyth and you all are trying to make me lok to be as if I am decieving you or lying. I can't wait to hear waht comes next.


where's the rope I am gettin ready to be hanged I guess...kinda remindfs me of the salem witch trials ......hmmmm
 

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and y'all wonder whyyyyyyyyyy I left SHOforum.... I have bought countless parts from Shawn..and never once a problem...

All im gonna say is.. how many of you have im'd shawn, called shawn.. and emailed him for advice???

Do any of you realize how much time he has taken helping countless members of the SHO community!!!!

There have been many nites..where I have asked shawn to do something.. or talk to me..and he has either been emailing, iming or talking to someone on the phone about SHO problems and questions

Never ONCE has he griped.. or whined about helping y'all!!!! and look at this SHIT that he gets for being nice!!!

After seeing the lack of respect in the SHO community.. I am appauled!!!!!

I can think of countless people he has given discounts and advice too... I know for a fact he is not trying to "cheat" or "scam" anyone in the SHO community!!!>...

You know what!!! so shitttt something didnt work!!! It happens!! we live and move on...Most of you are forgetting all the good he has done..

Alot of you are bandwagon jumpers!! and its pretty sad....

I really really am sad to see this thread.... after all, most of you dont see the time and effort he has put in for all of you... and YES... I am a good friend of Shawns... family if you must.. but that isnt deciding my judgement... my judgement is based on all the shit I see him deal with.. and you know what!! if I was faced with the situations he has.. I would have walked away from it a long ass time ago.. I wouldnt deal with the ********, but hes a good guy, he means well and he tries his best... !!!!!

Im done with my rant now.. and I dont care if some of you think less or more of me now.... I am not a bandwagon jumper..

-Heather
 

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JEM:
Do your homework, folks.

How many production FWD cars use mechanical friction-type LSDs? Zero.

This thing is a really poor design, and good SHO transaxles are too scarce to waste on crap like that.
Are you an engineer?

Actually the Integra Type R uses this kind of diff
 

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JEM:
Do your homework, folks.

How many production FWD cars use mechanical friction-type LSDs? Zero.

This thing is a really poor design, and good SHO transaxles are too scarce to waste on crap like that.
I thought the Integra Type-R did.... Or the new Integra(RSX-R) shrug
 

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1fastsho:
why don't you re think about what you just wrote.
While I re-think what I wrote, why don't you re-think the products you sell to the SHO community

<small>[ June 17, 2003, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: Porkchop ]</small>
 

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I wouldn't butt heads with John (JEM). He is fairly well acquainted with the sho, to put it mildly.

Welcome to the board, John.

On another note, Im sorry to see this happening. I agree with some of what everyone is saying here. And its not like Shawn is going to sit there and agree with everyone. The man has a right to defend himself.

It seems like much of the interesting techincal stuff on this board only happens when someone flames the bejezus out of someone else. Pity.
 

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casca:
and y'all wonder whyyyyyyyyyy I left SHOforum.... I have bought countless parts from Shawn..and never once a problem...

All im gonna say is.. how many of you have im'd shawn, called shawn.. and emailed him for advice???

Do any of you realize how much time he has taken helping countless members of the SHO community!!!!

There have been many nites..where I have asked shawn to do something.. or talk to me..and he has either been emailing, iming or talking to someone on the phone about SHO problems and questions

Never ONCE has he griped.. or whined about helping y'all!!!! and look at this SHIT that he gets for being nice!!!

After seeing the lack of respect in the SHO community.. I am appauled!!!!!

I can think of countless people he has given discounts and advice too... I know for a fact he is not trying to "cheat" or "scam" anyone in the SHO community!!!>...

You know what!!! so shitttt something didnt work!!! It happens!! we live and move on...Most of you are forgetting all the good he has done..

Alot of you are bandwagon jumpers!! and its pretty sad....

I really really am sad to see this thread.... after all, most of you dont see the time and effort he has put in for all of you... and YES... I am a good friend of Shawns... family if you must.. but that isnt deciding my judgement... my judgement is based on all the shit I see him deal with.. and you know what!! if I was faced with the situations he has.. I would have walked away from it a long ass time ago.. I wouldnt deal with the ********, but hes a good guy, he means well and he tries his best... !!!!!

Im done with my rant now.. and I dont care if some of you think less or more of me now.... I am not a bandwagon jumper..

-Heather
Thats why your posting right now right? If you can break your bias, why even comment?
 

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SHOTerror:
Thats why your posting right now right? If you can break your bias, why even comment? [/qb][/QUOTE]


because I still lurk the forums... and since none of you bandwagon jumping knuckleheads can seem to get your heads out of your ***** I figured id shed some light on this thread cause I dont give a flying hoot to what any of y'all think about me!!! hows that ? answer your question? I thought so!!..thank you come again!

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Yamaha V6:
This is all just wrong.

Either it's a "performance" part, and there's no warranty whatsoever Shawn, or you stand by the product. Pick one. That's part of where the problem lies. If it's no warranty then come right out & say it: "There is no warranty on this part. Sorry, have a nice day" when the customer calls complaining. It's one thing to be on the website, it's another to say it & get a confirmation that the customer understands that. Then, the only thing you should say is the same exact thing when said customer posts the warning online, and not be ****** that "we're all backstabbers" - the product is junk Shawn, plain & simple, and has been since day one when they left the back door. But, it's a performance modification, therefore it can't handle the job asked of it. Oh wait, Quaifes do. A Quaife must be a maintenance part then, and not a performance part. See, here's the thing that gets me Shawn - these things are blowing up on the way to get coffee, not on the racetrack stuffed in heavily modded SHOS like the limited number of Quaife diffs that have gone buh-bye.

Chuck, if you bought the "no warranty version", be glad you got any kind of a replacement. If there's any kind of warranty, get what's due you, even if it's a new LSD. It may not be what's desired at this point, but it's what you paid for, and it's something. Cash refund, check with IPT's official refund policy. I also originally assumed a clutch-disc type, but I understand Shawn's explanation of the term "clutch".

Shawn, pick a course in your life, be it musician, student, or SHO Parts Vendor. Do all three if you want, but keep them separated. If a customer calls you, (whether to order, to check on a shipment, or to complain that "their freaking car blew up AGAIN"), the last thing they want to hear is any kind of shift of focus. Don't shift the focus & mention how late you stayed out jammin' with da boyz, how you can't make it to the post office to ship a product someone's paid for because you have midterms this week (unless it's to offer a timeline of WHEN your end of the deal is going to happen), or how Joe Schmoe's Honda works with this product, but it's not working on our cars, "gee, really, it's Ford that screwed up, not us...". Ford doesn't sell IPT diffs, you do. We especially don't want to hear about it here on SHOForum how Honda LSDs are so fantastic. Tell it to MugenPowerOnline or something. The bottom line is, the IPT MTX SHO differential has a very shady history, to say it nicely.

And be careful mentioning that one special ATX diff you keep referring to, as it's my understanding that it was "enhanced" after leaving your hands. You can't take the credit for a piece that's not completely your own, especially when the customer has to have it beefed up prior to installation for fear of it blowing up. Oh wait, it was already in the car, and he paid twice, once to have it installed, and once to have it removed before even gettign the car back...

See where we're going with this? Nail down a position on this Shawn. Keep the product, ditch the product, support the product, don't support the product, offer a replacement, don't, offer a refund, or don't. Establish a position & stick to it.

Oh BTW, I was going to reply this morning, when I first started reading your replies to this situation but decided not to, and to instead bite my lip. This version was prompted by your 2:55pm post which just pushed my last button with your side of the argument, and is FAR more tame than this morning's was going to be. I did save a copy of the pretty damning version of your track record, if you insist on reading it.

I suggest you both deal with this offline at this point, as it's only going to get much uglier from here, and will likely result in a settlement / situation that isn't good for anyone involved. Post this stuff publicly, and of course the public is going to become a participant.
You are correct this is all wrong. especially starting with this post.

I will reply paragraph for paragraph. This will be the only replay that will have attitude in it. You are not the be all end all Fred I am sorry.

1) I have said in my previous posts hte diff has a ligetime warranty. GEN 1 that were made by VITEK did NOT have a warranty. GEN2 and up does. I warrantied the GENI out of my pocket.

Junk is this your PROFESSIONAL opinion? I am sorry what do you do for a living again? I have a degree in automotive science. I have 3 years experience working on more SHO's than you have seen in your life time. the product is not junk. that is your opinion. you can have it, but I am sorry. It is not junk. I am glad you are such an expert now fred, since you have turned a few wrenches. there have been two quaifes that have blown up. are you gonna campaign SHO SHOP next becasue when you added the S/C you blew your motor? NO? or when the valve springs broke and they didn't warranty their parts? nope. ok just checking..lets read on. Like I said mine still works.

2)it is not "shawn's" version of clutch type. it is what is called the REST of the world outside of SHOworld. that is right you assumed what it was. I will leave it at that.

3)This is the most prpfound Paragraph. It sure does make you look good doesn't it. You have no idea what it is like to produce a part like this. What I do with my life is none of your business. How I run my business is once again none of your business. I don't make excuses that I was jamin with the boyz.. oh wait the person about the midterms tell you he never sent money for shipping either and I paid out of my own pocket...yeah totally. YES it is the Ford parts that are blowing up not the IPT part. why is this hard to understnad. I mention other car manufactrers to further show that it DOES work and is not junk. you can play with my words all you want. Iam glad you are so nice Fred. So glad. as with any product sometimes there are trail and eror.

4)OHH the ATX diff. I am unaware of any removal of the DIff and of any modifacations done to it. I am about 20 min form FPS and ....Doug actually wants to buy one now.it is hearsay..rumor. but I have called Kaotic..I will find out the truth. So I will take credit.

5)Don't you think you can tell me what the **** to do. You have been trying to come down opn me for a long time. Oh yes I have been getting people calling me telling me you were talking abou tme...saying I have a horrible reputation. I had one part that didn't work out and I am now the anticrist. oh well too bad the clutches work and the coilovers work but lets forget about all of that.

6)I have been nothing but honest...but I am soooooo glad you have saved me from your wrath.
 

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Oz:
I wouldn't butt heads with John (JEM). He is fairly well acquainted with the sho, to put it mildly.

Welcome to the board, John.

On another note, Im sorry to see this happening. I agree with some of what everyone is saying here. And its not like Shawn is going to sit there and agree with everyone. The man has a right to defend himself.

It seems like much of the interesting techincal stuff on this board only happens when someone flames the bejezus out of someone else. Pity.
trust me I know the SHO...
 

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Porkchop:
1fastsho:
why don't you re think about what you just wrote.
While I re-think what I wrote, why don't you re-think the products you sell to the SHO community
hey no probelm..I had one product that failed...the rest of my prodcts work well. work beautifully and now I am some *************. interesting better re-think again

you freaking act like I knew the ones that blew up were going to ..this is rediculous. Iam sorry but since you seem to have a strong knowledge of this..what are your credientials again?

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I remember about a year ago when there wasn't any of this bullsh*t on the BB. True, I don't have to click on it...but like many of us on here I'm curious. :) I've seen this forum change alot since I first registered, with an exploding member population that's to be expected. I don't see why people are still slamming 'party A' when 'party A' already said he would come through with a stock diff. Oh well, all's well that ends well. Martin Laurance "Can't we all just get along???"

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Amazing. Simply amazing.

We finally ditch the SHO Shop from the forums for poor customer service. How many people wanna bet Vadim and Tom are sitting back contemplating saying, "Oh, **** them ..."? Don't be surprised if they back out of the community - I sure as **** wouldn't.

And now when they're gone, we go after Shawn and IPT, for once again taking the initiative and doing something others will only talk about doing. I challenge virtually any one of you who are, literally, jumping on the bandwagon to go out there and make an offer on Shawn's business, knowing full well that you will be under the gun of anybody and their friends.

Here's my point: I'm a full time student, I'm a musician, and I work a full time job. I know how it is being pulled in three directions, and I must question how many nay-sayers are being pulled in two. Think about this, before anyone says "The aftermarket is shit - there aren't any new parts coming out - they prices are too high - there's not enough competition." Would you sign up for this?

I sure as shit wouldn't - you couldn't pay me to step into his shoes.

IB4TL.
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