V8 vs V9 tunes

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Ok. But what do we do in the meantime with the cars & engines we DO have? Can the TDI issues be resolved sooner rather than later? What mods would it take? Inquiring minds want 2 know!

Honestly, the common sense things like using the best fueling solution that is available to you, not trying to make your car a flex fuel vehicle, driving it spiritedly occasionally (in non freezing temps) to keep things clean and checking/changing all of your fluids regularly are all going to help you mitigate excess build-up and/or wear.

The golden key is going to be better fuel delivery to the fuel rails and ultimately the injectors. There are strides to make things better, but the gains that we need are so great that there is no fix. An injector, rail or pump that has 5% better spray, burn patterns or volume just won't cut it. The actual gains is immeasurably small. The volumetric demands of the ECM can hardly be met in aggressive mapping on a normal warm day. Engines definitely perform differently depending on ambient temperature. Air and fuel volumes, densities and temperatures will affect performance. When it gets colder air gets more dense, but fueling does the opposite. As air temps drop you burn more fuel per revolution, are you seeing the trend? The issue that Mike is highlighting is a fuel volume related issue. Density is equal to the mass of the substance divided by the volume of the substance. When you heat gas, it expands, but on the other hand when you subject it to extreme cold it will condense. When it expands, its volume increases. If the volume of a substance increases while the mass stays the same then the density will decrease.

If gas cools,
the volume will decrease

This is what kills the EB platform from a performance POV, to date.

The next generations of the EcoBoost will address several issues that we must deal with now.
 

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I can't wait to get mine in there on the dyno...for some reason the cold weather combined with my mixing has no ill effects on the race tune. It's not normal?

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Apparently this situation has a greater impact on the 2013+ models. Either that, or my 2010 is an anomaly. Once thoroughly warmed up, I do not hesitate to use every bit of performance the car is capable of in the coldest temperatures. In fact, based on the Aeroforce gauge, the quickest 0-60 and quarter miles times I have ever recorded were when the temperature was 9 below zero! Knock on wood but I have never experienced any misfires, stumbles or other poor performance in the summer or winter. The BP fuel (even winter blend) here in the Twin Cities must be pretty good, too.
 

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Apparently this situation has a greater impact on the 2013+ models. Either that, or my 2010 is an anomaly. Once thoroughly warmed up, I do not hesitate to use every bit of performance the car is capable of in the coldest temperatures. In fact, based on the Aeroforce gauge, the quickest 0-60 and quarter miles times I have ever recorded were when the temperature was 9 below zero! Knock on wood but I have never experienced any misfires, stumbles or other poor performance in the summer or winter. The BP fuel (even winter blend) here in the Twin Cities must be pretty good, too.

I've never had a car that didn't put out more power in the winter.
 

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It isn't that the car doesn't want to make more power, because it does. The issue is that the actual VS commanded fueling trims are not equal to each other. The super cold, more dense, lower volume and detergent laden fueling stop that from being remotely possible.
 

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I've only driven mine in the cold weather and it runs great, IMO. So, it will be quicker with summer gas , regardless of ambient air temp?
 

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So what's this v8 and v9 tunes? Last I got an update from you guys - in the early fall I think, it was a 4x tune I believe, for 3BAR. (Yet to install the MAP sensor OR the new tune - been a stupid crazy year.) Should I be asking for an update regardless? If I need to make a purchase to get a tune update, I could always order a windstorm CAI... been thinking of that anyhow.
 

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There is a 4+x for the 10-12...and then there is a "race tune".

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So what's this v8 and v9 tunes? Last I got an update from you guys - in the early fall I think, it was a 4x tune I believe, for 3BAR. (Yet to install the MAP sensor OR the new tune - been a stupid crazy year.) Should I be asking for an update regardless? If I need to make a purchase to get a tune update, I could always order a windstorm CAI... been thinking of that anyhow.
LME will update the tunes for free, the caveat is always sans mods that require major retuning like a built engine or something. 3Bar MAP needs tune to be updated. Colder TStat, Downpipes work best with an updated tune. Intake and catback usually do not require updated tunes, but if you also do downpipes, it is highly recommended to get an update to take advantage.

Hope you've stopped hocking your lungs up by now, Robb! Stay out of those pileups in PA.
 

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The version 8,9 are the latest for the '13+ cars. Since the ECU are different from the 10-12 cars they just changed the way they designate them. 4X is the hottest for the 10-12 cars they send to most.
 

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Good ol winter gas. Still dreaming of a bigger DI pump.

That would be awesome! The issue here is that the Ford engineering done to design and produce the block restricts the size of the meter for the HPFP. GM has a similar restriction on their DI and TDI cars, but there is not the same restriction. We quickly took advantage of that back in 2014 when we were the first to tune the all-new 5th gen LT1.

I feel like I am just slashing hopes and dreams. I am sorry. We just have already spent years trying to circumvent this issue.
 

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