tunes for the sho

[dflores]

Is there a list or maybe we can start one with all the places that make a tune for the 2010 sho?

i have mine tuned. but maybe im the only on tuning with james?
anyone else? is there better more hp tunes? im very happy with mine. i guess i was wondering if anyone else tunes there 2010 sho and who is the best out there?

Thanks
Daniel

 

[darreli]

If you like James stick with him. (is it james from RWTD?) if he's local to you that's even better. I think Kirk is probably the most passionate about this car (or SHOs in general) I'm sure he'll spend a lot of time trying to nail the tune. I think that's the key, just spending the time on the car to see what works. Livernois has been working on my car and seem genuinely interested in making this car run plus they're 5 min from my house which is why I chose them. I think it will be a little while still before someone really knows what they're doing with this programming.

 

[SHO U UP]

I have to agree. Personally, I would stick with someone that has a passion for the SHOs. Not just someone who "jumps" on the SHO bandwagon just to create sales. I give them credit for it, and I am NOT knocking Hennesey or Livernois or whoever else may create a tune. They may do great work and all but someone like Kirk, Paul, or Doug that have been in the SHO world since the beginning have lived and breathed SHOs for years will take the upmost pride in their work and will make sure every SHO owner, new or old, will get the best bang for their buck. Now who is the "best" tuner out there? That's a simple matter of opinion. Just my .02 guys. :thankyou:

 

[dflores]

http://www.tuningbyjames.com/

i used this guy!

 

[beefcake]

I wouldn't say guys are jumping on the sho "bandwagon",

these are guys that tune Ford's on a daily basis. They have been tuning late model Fords for years, and have some of the fastest Fords out there.

When was the last gen 3 produced??

Ford's have come along way since then.

In the same thought, only the guys that work on 95 and pre 5.0's should work on the new 2011's?

 

[SHO U UP]

I wouldn't say guys are jumping on the sho "bandwagon",

these are guys that tune Ford's on a daily basis. They have been tuning late model Fords for years, and have some of the fastest Fords out there.

When was the last gen 3 produced??

Ford's have come along way since then.

In the same thought, only the guys that work on 95 and pre 5.0's should work on the new 2011's?

I see what you're saying Terry. I know folks tune Fords all day, everyday. And they have came along way. The last SHO rolled off the line 1999 too. My concern/discussion is where were these folks back when the Gen 1s and 2s were around?? They original SHOs were out for 10 years and no one "jumped" at modding them. Now all the sudden, BOOM! there they are. The SHO Shop was well known back in the day and a few smaller businesses were out that are gone now. Like I said Kirk, Doug and Paul are still around since back then and are still rocking today. Remember, that was just my .02. And your 'Stang is looking pretty darn sweet bro.

 

[beefcake]

I see what you're saying Terry. I know folks tune Fords all day, everyday. And they have came along way. The last SHO rolled off the line 1999 too. My concern/discussion is where were these folks back when the Gen 1s and 2s were around?? They original SHOs were out for 10 years and no one "jumped" at modding them. Now all the sudden, BOOM! there they are. The SHO Shop was well known back in the day and a few smaller businesses were out that are gone now. Like I said Kirk, Doug and Paul are still around since back then and are still rocking today. Remember, that was just my .02. And your 'Stang is looking pretty darn sweet bro.

I know where your coming from, and if I was around a shop like Kirk's than I would more than likely use them.

MD does all my stuff for the most part locally on my Ford stuff, unless i'm throwing on used parts etc..

For my Chevy stuff, i'll usually make the trip 4 1/2 hours or so to Livernois to have Dan do my tuning.

Livernois is a big outfit that does a ton of stuff for Ford and Chevy in house. Their motorsports business is like 5% of their business.

They had 5.0 engines in their shop 1 1/2 years ago.

Dan even has his own custom software that he was using to tune my vette. Software he developed in conjunction with Chevy that no one else has.

They have big tie ins with Ford and Chevy and to me thats a huge advangage over alot of the other guys.

 

[darreli]

I agree Terry. Livernois is huge and have a good in with both Ford and Chevy. Being 5 minutes from my house doesn't hurt either! Same with the Ford tuning. Didn't use SCT to turn my car, it's Ford factory software. They're good people. If NESHO was local I'd go there. Not because Kirks worked with SHOs in the past because this car is completely different but because he's passionate about the car from what I can see and will spend the time on learning the intricacies of the new Taurus

 

[RavensbeastSHO]

As with anything, It just comes down to doing your homework so to speak. Research in to what you're going to invest money and time in. Just like darreli was saying, since I'll most likely never be up in New England again, I don't have the ability to work with NESHO who I've looked in to ever since have my '96 SHO. So I'm just looking at alternatives that will be a benefit seeing I'm down at Ft Hood, TX now.

 

[BrianK]

While I do not have a tune yet (its only been 2 weeks) I can confirm that JDM Engineering does have tunes for the SHO.

I can confirm without a doubt that Jim Sr knows his tunes and did some incredible tuning on the Lightning and mustang. I give JDM an A+ for their attention to street manners on their tunes.


I plan to report back with my JDM tune some day in the near future.....


Brian K

 

[91southfloridaSHO]

alot of tunes out there are all made from the same sct calibration files. there are very few that have done actual dyno stuff. i would go with some you trust, also beware as the drive line is not the strongest. also there are already upgraded radiators out there for people boosting alot of power.

 

[hawkeye18]

I like "Thunderstruck" by AC/DC.

 

[wchain]

I like "Thunderstruck" by AC/DC.

 

[SHODWN]

Its hard to talk about this stuff and not act like Im trying to point people here, so Ill give it a try.. Some will beleive and some wont.

There are some of us like me that have been working on these for a long time, then you have others like Hen, MOD depot and James, all great guys but how long will they be here? They are doing that and Im ok with that, because when the SHO dies down a bit they will be gone and we (the ones that have been here) will still be here to service you needs.

My big issue with these cars and "tuners" is that no one knows what they are doing.. there is no real way yet to datalog these cars to see what they are doing. sure you can get a little info but not to make a GREAT tune. Beefcakes tune had +15 degrees of timeing in one of his first tunes. (yes I got ahold of it) and while i was in a Dyno lab with all the right monitors we ran that tune and the knock sensors were bounceing off the wall, my freind that works there said the engine will not hold together for long. Now these people that ran this scanario are the people that created it!!! (ecoboost)

So who wants to roll the dice and try it out? there is now a TSB because of a tuner iin Florida that already blew up a car and it gave Ford what to look for.. so guys take your chances! some may work and some may not, but Ill tell you what Ford knows what to look for and try taking your 40000 car into Ford for a motor and have them tell you because it was tuned you are now out of warranty..

Also let me say.
My freind at Ford will not give me any hints (dont blame him at all) but he did tell me whats bad.. Um I think ill take his word..

Ken at MOD depot, and James are FANTASTIC!! tuners and I no problem saying that they have tuned cars -many more cars in the world than me.. But again we all have the same software.. Mustangs, trucks, ect ect are different than twin turbo v6's, they are putting time into it now and I think its great! but still there are way many more people buying Mustangs, and F-150s then SHO's and thats where there MAIN foucus will be (ex-the pun)

Ive got now about 50 hrs into figureing out turbo tuning and the setup we have, there is a TON of work to get the numbers from what we are given to what we can work with. I had a Turbine engineer here the other day and had him look at the software to help me figure out what the **** some of this stuff was.. Even he was floored with some of the things that he had seen.

He can add if he wants he is on this list..

But lets say this.. in our software one of the main ways that "guys" are adding boost is by the Pressure ratio of the turbo.. presently one of the tables has a cell of 3.4116 for a pressure ratio.. Anyone want to figure out that one? A pressure ratio of that high is in JET engines not pressure ratios of cars and baby turbos!!!!! so what these guys are doing is just adding a percentage to increase.. but if you dont understand what the figure is why would you add to it??? this is why im very SLOW in getting off the ground, I will make sure I know what each of the 1000 pull down menus do and why it has the numbers that are in there.. because 3.4116 does not translate! I know how they got it now but it took days of figureing, reading and banging my head into the wall.

Now that was the SHO guy side of me with a bit of business..

Now to the Business side..

Its all up to you in who you choose! and how fast you want something.. If you want more now then go spend big money on something that they are not even sure will hold together! how can you test things in the cold and release it for summer? You cant, again we have very advanced cars, there are six different tables all reguarding to air temp, if you set up a car is the 40-77 table what happens when its 78? oops that was never tested sorry for your motor but there there is no warranty that this would not happen..

beefcake, you sound like a really good dude and dont take this the wrong way.. but guys like you that have money always go to the first guy and the fastest guy. no matter what.. I dont have an issue that you have deep pockets but you have to also look at expirence! You wrote that you and I think MOD were working on a BAP for you car... You car has one and they should know that. if not be scared! if they did then they were just selling you something you already had and can tune to what you want. Dont just Advertise for the guys that you know, ad for the guys that try for you..

I do hope you come back and get a SHO in a few years, it will be fun to race against you and im sure we would be freinds... Also by then these cars will have all kinds of stuff to make huge power.. Hopefully by me but im sure there will be others that get in and have heart for the SHO and not only trying to get on the bandwagon..

Biggest and Baddest is not always the best! Besides Kurt Metros and Josh there are no FI cars that have lasted at all.. same will hold true to this car, you will get to a certain relaiable point and thats it unless you want bigger motor and turbos.. Go for relaibale! and wicked fast

VA Terry, I hope you dont blast that v8 to hard because that too will not last long.. I know im sounding bad, but im only telling you the truth from History..

Im sure there are a million typos and im sorry..

 

[beefcake]

Its hard to talk about this stuff and not act like Im trying to point people here, so Ill give it a try.. Some will beleive and some wont.

There are some of us like me that have been working on these for a long time, then you have others like Hen, MOD depot and James, all great guys but how long will they be here? They are doing that and Im ok with that, because when the SHO dies down a bit they will be gone and we (the ones that have been here) will still be here to service you needs.

My big issue with these cars and "tuners" is that no one knows what they are doing.. there is no real way yet to datalog these cars to see what they are doing. sure you can get a little info but not to make a GREAT tune. Beefcakes tune had +15 degrees of timeing in one of his first tunes. (yes I got ahold of it) and while i was in a Dyno lab with all the right monitors we ran that tune and the knock sensors were bounceing off the wall, my freind that works there said the engine will not hold together for long. Now these people that ran this scanario are the people that created it!!! (ecoboost)

So who wants to roll the dice and try it out? there is now a TSB because of a tuner iin Florida that already blew up a car and it gave Ford what to look for.. so guys take your chances! some may work and some may not, but Ill tell you what Ford knows what to look for and try taking your 40000 car into Ford for a motor and have them tell you because it was tuned you are now out of warranty..

Also let me say.
My freind at Ford will not give me any hints (dont blame him at all) but he did tell me whats bad.. Um I think ill take his word..

Ken at MOD depot, and James are FANTASTIC!! tuners and I no problem saying that they have tuned cars -many more cars in the world than me.. But again we all have the same software.. Mustangs, trucks, ect ect are different than twin turbo v6's, they are putting time into it now and I think its great! but still there are way many more people buying Mustangs, and F-150s then SHO's and thats where there MAIN foucus will be (ex-the pun)

Ive got now about 50 hrs into figureing out turbo tuning and the setup we have, there is a TON of work to get the numbers from what we are given to what we can work with. I had a Turbine engineer here the other day and had him look at the software to help me figure out what the **** some of this stuff was.. Even he was floored with some of the things that he had seen.

He can add if he wants he is on this list..

But lets say this.. in our software one of the main ways that "guys" are adding boost is by the Pressure ratio of the turbo.. presently one of the tables has a cell of 3.4116 for a pressure ratio.. Anyone want to figure out that one? A pressure ratio of that high is in JET engines not pressure ratios of cars and baby turbos!!!!! so what these guys are doing is just adding a percentage to increase.. but if you dont understand what the figure is why would you add to it??? this is why im very SLOW in getting off the ground, I will make sure I know what each of the 1000 pull down menus do and why it has the numbers that are in there.. because 3.4116 does not translate! I know how they got it now but it took days of figureing, reading and banging my head into the wall.

Now that was the SHO guy side of me with a bit of business..

Now to the Business side..

Its all up to you in who you choose! and how fast you want something.. If you want more now then go spend big money on something that they are not even sure will hold together! how can you test things in the cold and release it for summer? You cant, again we have very advanced cars, there are six different tables all reguarding to air temp, if you set up a car is the 40-77 table what happens when its 78? oops that was never tested sorry for your motor but there there is no warranty that this would not happen..

beefcake, you sound like a really good dude and dont take this the wrong way.. but guys like you that have money always go to the first guy and the fastest guy. no matter what.. I dont have an issue that you have deep pockets but you have to also look at expirence! You wrote that you and I think MOD were working on a BAP for you car... You car has one and they should know that. if not be scared! if they did then they were just selling you something you already had and can tune to what you want. Dont just Advertise for the guys that you know, ad for the guys that try for you..

I do hope you come back and get a SHO in a few years, it will be fun to race against you and im sure we would be freinds... Also by then these cars will have all kinds of stuff to make huge power.. Hopefully by me but im sure there will be others that get in and have heart for the SHO and not only trying to get on the bandwagon..

Biggest and Baddest is not always the best! Besides Kurt Metros and Josh there are no FI cars that have lasted at all.. same will hold true to this car, you will get to a certain relaiable point and thats it unless you want bigger motor and turbos.. Go for relaibale! and wicked fast

VA Terry, I hope you dont blast that v8 to hard because that too will not last long.. I know im sounding bad, but im only telling you the truth from History..

Im sure there are a million typos and im sorry..

I don't have deep pockets, I'm a salesman at at a dealership. I originally went with Torries tune as he was the only one out there, and I wanted to go fast.

I found out that his tune was set at 28 degrees of timing (I sent that to you in an IM I believe in OCT), and I immediately pulled out his tune out of the car. I knew Torrie had blown his engine within an hour of it blowing on the dyno. (I sent that to you in an IM in OCT too).

As most know, you haven't seen a post by Torrie since the engine blew. Torrie was even assuring other guys it wasn't his car. I received those pm's as well. It in fact was his car. The only reason I am wanting to make sure its known, is so that you know MD's tune was no way associated with his tune.

As far as the MD tune, I trust MD completely. Ken works very close with Jerry. Jerry designs the Databases for SCT (If i'm not mistaken). If i'm going to have anyone tuning my car. I want it to be the guy that is designing the parameters that Ken, you, and everyone else is tuning with. You are tuning around what he is giving you.

I just don't want to see you lumping MD in with someone like Torrie.

Ken and MD are out at the races almost every week tuning cars, working on cars, and helping their customers out. They have some of the fastest cars out their, with a lot of championships under their belt.

Yes, the SHO is a new type of car. Tons more parameters. But it's no different in the respect that you have to have someone willing to take the time to learn and understand what the car is doing.

I have plenty of respect for you and what you do with these cars. As I said, if I was in your neck of the woods. I would use you in a heartbeat.

There are middle to large shops out there that are good, and there are some that are horrible. I would never go to see hennessey or some of these other shops.

You, MD Speed, Livernois, I wouldn't hesitate in a second.

 

[Sy1100]

ok so you guys need to hurry up so the guys on the west coast ( in my case the desert) can get tuned and go faster too.

 

[SHODWN]

Jerry made SCT along with two others.. IIRC Jerry no longer works there.. I have met Jerry many many times..

anyway.. what im saying is that the tables are not worng but the tables on this car are used from other Ford Downloads.. they are not SHO Specific.. there so many things that do not convert properly to what all of us know as tuners..

the software says.
Maf
4X4
supercharger
lists cyl #10
IMRC's
and many more.

data logging is even worse!


Like I said I know Ken is great, im just concerned that people are not reading and understanding what they are doing.. and scared that people will get blown up fast..

in short people "all" need to take months and go through this data that we are provided.. Next time your over there ask him to see just the turbocharger section.. dude it will blow your mind! open up every sub menu too

I agree with you though, after reading all about Hen's stuff I would not go with them for free.. but who knows they could turn out ok.. Its my point when I show the tabes to a turbine guy who knows maps of turbos and says that there is no way that these numbers are correct.. that scares me man.. that all of us could be adding to these cars but not truly understanding whats actually going on..

ps. I heard it was Torrie but not from you.. at that point you werent sure.. but now I guess its public knowledge..

im out I have to go to Canada for a SHO wedding

 

[SHODWN]

Its not my fault you live in the desert! :laugh_ti: j/k

its going to take me another month (hopefully) to understand each table.. others might be out front or way behind.

 

[darreli]

I agree with you Kirk on a lot of what you said. Livernois isn't using SCT software on my car for just that reason. They're using Fords factory software. I've stated on here a few times the number of parameters on this car. The datalogging is definately difficult, Dans expressed that several times. I know from reading this forum (I'm new to the SHOs, sold my Lighting to buy it) you're passion for this car and I know you'll put in the time to figure it out. There are good shops out there though, Modular Depot does good work from what I know. I'm on several different forums and I've never heard anything bad about them. There's a lot to learn and I'm sure you'll provide a lot of knowledge! Keep up the good work and I'm excited to see what happens in the SHO world this summer!

 

[91southfloridaSHO]

i like this thread, and there is alot more to it then is said in it. just make sure you get a tune from some who has actually had a car on a dyno and done real testing with it.