tranny swap

[somedude_001]

firstly look here for all of the detalis

For the short story
http://www.superhighoutput.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1547

For the long story
http://www.superhighoutput.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1400

anyway I need to know if a 93 ATX trans will go in my 94 ATX without any changes?

I know there is a difference in the number of splines on one of the imput shafts but I'm not sure which shafts, is the difference on the TQ to trans side or TQ to engine side?

basicly what do I need to do to put this in my car.

 

[CheckerSHO]

firstly look here for all of the detalis

For the short story
http://www.superhighoutput.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1547

For the long story
http://www.superhighoutput.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1400

anyway I need to know if a 93 ATX trans will go in my 94 ATX without any changes?

I know there is a difference in the number of splines on one of the imput shafts but I'm not sure which shafts, is the difference on the TQ to trans side or TQ to engine side?

basicly what do I need to do to put this in my car.

As long as the torque converter is the same year as the trans, the input shaft spline count won't be an issue. The torque converter to driveplate pattern is the same. I believe changing the input shaft and torque converter on a 93 trans to a 94-95 style is an upgrade, the 94-95 tq converter is better. Aside from that, the trans should bolt in and work fine.

edit- while the 94-95 is an upgrade, after seeing the pics of all the metal that im assuming was in your current transmissions' pan, i wouldn't put your current converter in this transmission you are installing because its probably got metal contamination and would contaminate the new trans

 

[somedude_001]

Thankyou very much, I will place a order and get this in my car soon.

oh I got as far as pulling the valvebody off does that gasket need to be replaced?

 

[the on going reality of shopower]

hey stop there buddy you should get down to your local transmission shop and get a gasket and seal kit for it you will be needing all the gaskets your taking off cause they will leak for sure and you make sure you torque all the bolts back to specs and replace the front seal correctly I personnally would bring it in and get them to change it. But wait I now that a 93 SHO trans is a AXOD-E and 94-95 is a AX4S so there is a difference. It will bolt up and work but you will be doing it all over again in the near future. Sorry dude
I am a transmission guy to let you know.

 

[somedude_001]

"But wait I now that a 93 SHO trans is a AXOD-E and 94-95 is a AX4S so there is a difference. It will bolt up and work but you will be doing it all over again in the near future."

I was told by fordspecialists that both the 93, and 94-95 were AXOD-E transmissions, the one in my car now is a AXOD-E trans, the said the main difference it the 23 spline input shaft. Why would I be doing it again soon? Are they that much weaker? what is the difference in the TQ converter between the 93 and 94-95 other than the spline count?


I have a rather large trans cooler on the way to help prevent overheating.

should I get both axle seals and the one in the bell housing replaced? how much do you think that is going to run me?

I apreciate the help!

 

[CheckerSHO]

Yes replace those seals while its out... and yes replace the valve body gasket and any other gaskets you removed...including the side pan gasket and pan gasket...even though it may say it's resuable, with a trans that old its good insurance to go ahead an do it now since its apart.
and as he said...properly torque the valve body .

 

[somedude_001]

what I want to know is why he says yeah it will work but youll be doing it all over again in the near furure? I'm not trying to be a *** I would rather eat the money and get another if it is that bad of a tranny.

 

[CheckerSHO]

what I want to know is why he says yeah it will work but youll be doing it all over again in the near furure? I'm not trying to be a *** I would rather eat the money and get another if it is that bad of a tranny.

Other than the torque converter i am not sure of the differences in the 93 and the 94+ transmissions. I know being a used transmission though...its a gamble anyway you look at it unless you know the history of the transmission

 

[somedude_001]

I know a vague history, the car was totaled from behind and he said the trans shifted great befor that. thats all I know. everything that i've taken apart looks good but it could go either way. I hope its a good one, its gotta be beter than mine!

 

[the on going reality of shopower]

well sorry to have scard you but all i am saying is they changed the computers from 93- 94 so it will be a bit different electronicly.
I did this from a 91 SLO and 92 SLO and they had very different electronics shifting them and would cause it to overheat after 1 hour of driving. One soliniod was 14omhs and the other was 22 ohms so the 14 ohms would overheat and stop working the Lock up torque converter. Just get the computer and she will be good.

 

[somedude_001]

I'm not sure if part of that is correct, because the 94-95 computer is a upgrade (or the tweecer) and it dosent require any changes that i'm aware of to swap computers.

 

[CheckerSHO]

well sorry to have scard you but all i am saying is they changed the computers from 93- 94 so it will be a bit different electronicly.
I did this from a 91 SLO and 92 SLO and they had very different electronics shifting them and would cause it to overheat after 1 hour of driving. One soliniod was 14omhs and the other was 22 ohms so the 14 ohms would overheat and stop working the Lock up torque converter. Just get the computer and she will be good.

That sounds like a gen1 to gen2 issue....and since there were no gen 1 auto SHO's i dont think he has anything to worry about. People put the D4U1(i think?) computer out of the 94-95's into 93's no problem...so it should electronically work. As far as if its weaker than the 94-95 i think ford progressively made improvements to that trans so they may be better...but the 93 should work as far as fitment no problem

 

[somedude_001]

thanks to all of you for all of your usefull input and information... I am going to a tranny shop on tuesday and will get the seals put in and purchase ann of the required seals/gaskets. anyone know what it will run me to have those seals put in?

so hopefully I will have some good news on tuesday.

 

[somedude_001]

*UPDATE*

all 3 seals were replaced in the back of the truck I brought the tranny in, the gaskets were given to me because the goodyear I work at gives them a lot of business and are good friends with my boss.

Got a remanufactured TC (torque converter) for 100 bucks, and will be reassembling the trans tomorrow.

tranny will be out of the car tomorrow if there are no complications, see

http://www.superhighoutput.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1601&st=0&#entry12683

for details.