Toyota Camshaft Problems - Toyota will replace broken engines

[tbone]

They just posted this on V8SHO.com. I thought I'd post it here for all the GENIII drivers. Unlike Ford, Toyota will replace any engine that suffers a broken camshaft. Nice to know some companies still stand by their products.
http://www.v8sho.com/SHO/ToyotaCamshaftProblem.htm


Quoted from Autoblog.com:

Quote: Out of a run of 30,000 5.7-liter V8 engines, Toyota has had reports of 20 camshafts snapping -- a minuscule number in light of the total (0.06 percent, as a matter of fact). Toyota says the outside supplier of the camshafts has discovered the problem, which was "a metallurgical defect in the casting," and the company is trying to figure out how many of the remaining 30,000 engines could also be affected, though because of the company's production method, the final number is not expected to be large. The camshafts have been designed to prevent collateral damage in case they break, but Toyota will replace a customer's entire engine if the camshaft failure should occur by sending a new 5.7L via airfreight to the nearest dealer. Apparently some Toyota execs believe that the new number one global automaker has been growing too fast to maintain proper quality control. Yet with the Tundra being a new truck with a new engine in a new market for Toyota, there are going to be teething problems, as we've seen. What remains to be seen is if, or for how long, these problems will continue.

 

[n8rsk8r]

Yeah heard about that!

 

[stephen newberg]

Not to be defending Ford on this, since their position is indefensible, but for the Tundra V8 problem the discovery of it happened while the model was new, still in production, and already at 50% more units than the total lifetime production of the Gen III SHO with the line fulled geared up to produce many more. As a result, the situation is less directly comparable than it might otherwise appear, as none of this applied to the Gen III. Which does not let Ford off the hook at all.

pax, smn

 

[Motoman991]

How many Gen III's have had a cam failure? Like 20% or something?

 

[NebraskaSHO]

About 4% documented. I think... if my math is correct

814 failures reported or found/21,537 cars produced over 4 years

There are plenty though that have gone undocumented

 

[somedude_001]

About 4% documented. I think... if my math is correct

814 failures reported or found/21,537 cars produced over 4 years

There are plenty though that have gone undocumented

i would like to think that everyone that owns a SHo is on the bords but i bet 10-20% of owners are on the forums. I really wish there was a way for this to be doccumented accurately... but alas there isn't.

 

[n8rsk8r]

Toyota HAS to, otherwise they could grab their yella ankles and kiss their cheeks good bye!! #1 is earned.

 

[midnightauto]

Who makes Toyota, Oh ya I forgot a guy making $46 a week. I will push my SHO before buying a Toy.

 

[Toolman]

i would like to think that everyone that owns a SHo is on the bords but i bet 10-20% of owners are on the forums. I really wish there was a way for this to be doccumented accurately... but alas there isn't.

Nah, SHOforum is the only one with any real SHO owner presence, and of the thousands of usernames here, only about 1/3 are real and used, and only about 2/3 of those people actually own a SHO. I would say less than 2% of SHO owners are on this forum.

 

[jimtash]

Toyota's actions prove why it's one of the best car manufacturer's in the world and all you have to do is look at their actions. Toyota is replacing engines even if they haven't failed while Ford prescribed Loctite as a cure for theirs. Makes me wonder why Ford is still in business.

 

[NJSHO]

Who makes Toyota, Oh ya I forgot a guy making $46 a week. I will push my SHO before buying a Toy.

Alot of toyota are built in the US. I know at least the camry is.

"Toyota's American plants generate hundreds of millions of dollars in investments and create hundreds of jobs at suppliers and support businesses. In 2006, Toyota built more than 1.55 million vehicles and 1.4 million engines at its 14 plants in North America."

More reading:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-03-22-american-usat_N.htm
"The data is clear: Domestic auto plants create more jobs in this country than overseas producers who locate here," says United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger in a statement to USA TODAY. But he was quick to note that foreign automakers have created more jobs in the USA by opening plants here, and he respects their workers.

And I refuse to buy a car from a manufacturer that treats its customers like s#*@ no matter how much they pay their workers.

 

[tbone]

Lots are built in Canada too, they've been able to keep their factories from becoming unionized and pay their employees very well up here. I haven't heard one person talk shit about working there.

When it comes down to it, they're treating their customers the way they should be treated and that's how you get repeat buyers. As much as I love my gen3 SHO, the whole camshaft thing on it has turned me right off buying another Ford.

 

[midnightauto]

Well that comment woke up a few member's. I guess I am a dying breed as I watch all the plants closing here in the motor cities of Michigan. And yes there are plants making Toyota parts (and others foreign makers) here in the US now. But how many were here 10+ years ago when they were beating the crap out of US automakers with cheap labor. So they now have a foothold on US the market. Now they manufacture item's here in the US. Its great PR Toyota made in the USA. Where do the profits go? One more thing I plan on deer hunting this year at a Subaru plant I see on TV they have deer and rabbits all over. more great PR.

McDonalds called your late for work.



This is only my opinion so flame away

 

[NJSHO]

Mcdonalds? Lets at least keep this argument to the topic.
As Ive said in another thread:
I think that blindly supporting American car companies just because they are American is undermining the very American ideal of capitalism. If you buy American just to buy American, you are sending a message to the companies that what they are doing is right and their is no reason for them to change their ways. The only time that I would buy American for the sake of America’s car companies is if I was comparing two cars and they were identical in every aspect, then I would take the American car.

This "wake up call" to american car companies has been ringing for years and no one has answered. The world is shifting to a global economy and any company in any industry has to learn to adapt. If detroit can't adapt they are going to die.

Id be interested to see who makes your TV, Computer, Refrigerator, Microwave, Phone, Cell Phone, ect...

 

[midnightauto]

For a global economy you must have fair trade. I will go back on my meds now.

Have a Good weekend

 

[LeddZepp8687]

Who makes Toyota, Oh ya I forgot a guy making $46 a week. I will push my SHO before buying a Toy.

I like you.


Ill drive a broken domestic car day in and out before I spend a penny at the local toyota dealership. Well maybe I'll buy one just to drive that hunk of garbage into a brick wall. Yuppies buy toyotas, Real americans buy domestics. Flame away, Its my opinion.

 

[tbone]

The whole import smack talk that's going on in here is kinda funny considering all the SHO's have Yamaha engines!

 

[Denny]

I agree, a global economy will truly work if it goes both ways and if Japan would let its currency be pegged at a fair rate. But regardless, business is business, and nowhere does it garuantee it is always fair. Japan woke up a sleeping giant 60 years ago. Japan, Inc. has awaken another one.

On the Ford vs Toy arguement, the V8 SHO camshaft issues are minor compared to the number of Toy trucks affected. Plus, Toy's issues are right after launch, most V8 SHO issues happened well after warranty.

 

[midnightauto]

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Id be interested to see who makes your TV, Computer, Refrigerator, Microwave, Phone, Cell Phone, ect...

You missed one, my shoes were made in a sweat shop in China. But it's ok I bought them at Walmart

 

[Silvapain]

On the Ford vs Toy arguement, the V8 SHO camshaft issues are minor compared to the number of Toy trucks affected. Plus, Toy's issues are right after launch, most V8 SHO issues happened well after warranty.

Did you even read the article?

"Quote: Out of a run of 30,000 5.7-liter V8 engines, Toyota has had reports of 20 camshafts snapping -- a minuscule number in light of the total (0.06 percent, as a matter of fact). Toyota says the outside supplier of the camshafts has discovered the problem, which was "a metallurgical defect in the casting," and the company is trying to figure out how many of the remaining 30,000 engines could also be affected, though because of the company's production method, the final number is not expected to be large. The camshafts have been designed to prevent collateral damage in case they break, but Toyota will replace a customer's entire engine if the camshaft failure should occur by sending a new 5.7L via airfreight to the nearest dealer. Apparently some Toyota execs believe that the new number one global automaker has been growing too fast to maintain proper quality control. Yet with the Tundra being a new truck with a new engine in a new market for Toyota, there are going to be teething problems, as we've seen. What remains to be seen is if, or for how long, these problems will continue."


There are reports of V8 SHO cams failing on dealership lots, and plenty of cases of them failing under factory warranty. So not all failed under warranty, but certainly enough failed for it to be statistically significant to Ford.