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[93rev2sev]

I'm not running a tune. Just a regular old X2J.

It's 94 Octane. I didn't spike my tank with Turbo Blue. It was 1/2 full of straight hi-test Sunoco 94 when I left and I barely made it back to that same station to top it off with another 17.5 gallons of the good stuff.

The temperature was dropping from a high of about 53.
There was a tail wind.
I have a y-pipe
I mashed it

Those are the tangible truths. Here are some INTANGIBLE truths.

In the course of six 1/4 mile runs (in my whole lifetime), I was able to get an arguably difficult 1/4 miler into the 14s. Two more runs and I was WELL INTO the 14s.

Then the car sat for 2 hours, cooling dow...no....Brooding. And the SRT4 rolls up. With it's loud exhaust and it's turbo. I could tell...my car was doing one of these...

But I wasn't about to pick a fight it couldn't win. We got ourselves well into the 14s and I considered my day complete. Then...with about 20 minutes left before the track shuts down...I hear Mr. SRT4 (Matt) toss down the gauntlet. I told Fancy (I call her "Fancy Taurus") that this was her "One chance, don't let me down".
She just did one of these


and said "Put your helmet on...Major Tom"

The rest is on the F##%ing timeslip.

 

[RonPorter]

Look i Was not being a ******** so dont tell me to stfu, i have over 100 passes in my sho on the strip even being a "novice" with consistent 2.2 60fts and 100 mph traps got me in the 14.2's. Yeah your prowd of running a 14.2 but im telling you its a timing error, unless the car is not stock and you dont know about it. Look at it this way, you pushed a stock sho into mid 14's that alone is a accomplishment. Run consistently 14.2's or more than once ill belive it.

Part of the believability for me are Tom's high trap speeds. I've seen this before with a stock 3.0. Dave Garber had a stock '95 that ran consistent 96-97 traps, and he had a bunch of 14.6x timeslips.

Trap speed shows you the HP and potential ETs. His traps indicate the car definitely has the potential for mid 14s. As I mentioned before, they way he pulled away from me on our runs was impressive.

He got himself a good motor to drop in it!!

 

[RonPorter]

Just as a side note......

One of the benefits of Lapeer is the ability to get a LOT of seat time and runs, as well as being able to do runs back-to-back.

This alone is a BIG help. Back when we were running our Gen 3s, I had hundreds of runs, and I would beat Ryan Dudek by a coupla tenths every time. We swapped cars. I drove his 2 tenths quicker, he drove mine 2 tenths slower. And this is with automatics!

This matters more than you think......

 

[RonPorter]

I'm not running a tune. Just a regular old X2J.

Actually, the only "mod" on my 156K white '89 (with no 60K done AFAIK) is an X2J. It runs quite strong for a stock 3.0. Wouldn't try the dragstrip again until it gets something other than the original struts on the front, but it runs damn good.

 

[Ishodu]

Anyone wanna go again this weekend? The guy called me tonight and left a message saying I can get my car out.
93rev2sev I am not trying to be a ass but when there is a obvious error on part of the time slip that influences the et its really hard to get someone to believe the time is correct. Especially when the math backs it up.

 

[Toolman]

math does not lie, our butts do lie. You would have to be trapping 110mph to run a 14.23 with the 1/8th you ran.

 

[yamahaSHO]

14.4 @ 110mph here.

I think my best 60' in the few times I ran the car down the track was a 2.5. I did better in my near stock SHO.

EDIT: For comparison

60' - 2.513
1/8 - 9.632 @ 79.31
1/4 - 14.414 @ 110.84

Even at the Altitude of Bandimere, I was still putting down 330+ whp. You're trying to say your substantially slower car ran the last 1/8th mile faster than my supercharged SHO. That's the part where I actually get moving!

 

[RonPorter]

Anyone wanna go again this weekend? The guy called me tonight and left a message saying I can get my car out.
93rev2sev I am not trying to be a ass but when there is a obvious error on part of the time slip that influences the et its really hard to get someone to believe the time is correct. Especially when the math backs it up.

This Saturday looks to be the same weather:

http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/lapeer-mi/48446/weekend-weather/333650

I would do it. Good chance I may have a great-niece birthday party in Sarnia, though. 50-50 for me at this point. I need to find a way to defeat my Traction Control.

Jason, with the GMC Duramax, wanted to get his tune fixed and go back next week. Hafta talk to Vince, but he and his Mach 1 versus his son's SRT4 might be on the agenda.

 

[RonPorter]

math does not lie, our butts do lie. You would have to be trapping 110mph to run a 14.23 with the 1/8th you ran.

Whatever....

I'll put Tom's car against ANY STOCK 3.0, and my $$$$ says he kicks everyone's ass.

 

[intimdatr]

Whatever....

I'll put Tom's car against ANY STOCK 3.0, and my $$$$ says he kicks everyone's ass.

Id take that but its sorta a long drive...

 

[93rev2sev]

I'm up for it.

Not sure my clutch is. But they're on sale at Rockauto

 

[intimdatr]

Its ONLY a 650 mile drive... and most of it through the wonderful and loving state of Illinois.

 

[Toolman]

Whatever....

I'll put Tom's car against ANY STOCK 3.0, and my $$$$ says he kicks everyone's ass.

Pretty safe bet, a y-piped 3.0 versus a stock 3.0.

Or course, this has nothing to change the fact that the car did not run a 14.2

 

[yamahaSHO]

LOL, good catch Tim.

This might be a different arguement if this board didn't know a little bit about the SHO...

 

[dohcsable]

Its ONLY a 650 mile drive... and most of it through the wonderful and loving state of Illinois.

I'm actually surprised I don't have hate mail extortion letters from that great state already......sister's bf that made the trip with me got friday claiming it was taken on the northside of chicago.....while we were in oklahoma....

Facist buggers




If I didn't care about the 3 transmissions I have, I'd go run at muncie.....just to flaunt having one of the best 1/4mi tracks(for ET & trap) 15min away....

but since there is usually 2-3 neon's leaving there on trailers/tow trucks every night, I don't think a stock sho trans would like it

 

[SHOspazz92]

Whatever....

I'll put Tom's car against ANY STOCK 3.0, and my $$$$ says he kicks everyone's ass.

Why don't you run him in that STOCK 3.0 you have in the garage?

His car is not STOCK.

I'm not questioning anybody's credibility, I'm just saying that claiming a Y-Piped and whatever else SHO is "stock" is not exactly fair. That's like saying the 2010 SHOs that are running 12's with nothing but a Tune are stock. We all know that shit wouldn't fly if a 2010+ owner came on here saying "My stock ecoboost went 12.80's".

-Sam

 

[93rev2sev]

my car is stock. Catalytic converters are wear items. If I was running a catless y-pipe, then it wouldn't be "stock".

There are no other items that could be considered modifications. I don't even have my underdrive pullies installed and I'm pretty sure the "cone of silence" is still in place.

You guys are hilarious, though.

 

[Toolman]

my car is stock. Catalytic converters are wear items. If I was running a catless y-pipe, then it wouldn't be "stock".

There are no other items that could be considered modifications. I don't even have my underdrive pullies installed and I'm pretty sure the "cone of silence" is still in place.

You guys are hilarious, though.

Stock or not doesn't really matter. Regardless, your car is strong, and with a better 60' has the potential to run 14.5's. The hilarious part is that Ron and you both seem to be holding to the belief that the 14.23 run was legit.

Let's break it down one more time.

Your 1/8th time was 9.681, the neon's was 9.306. A difference of 0.375.
Your 1/8th trap was 74.63 versus the neon's 83.53, a difference of 9.1 mph.
According to the slip, you were 0.399 behind at the 1/4, losing 0.024 of a second.
If we are to believe the 1/4 info, than what you are saying is that a car traveling over 9mph SLOWER at the 1/8th only lost 24 thousandths of a second to a car that trapped over 108 at the 1/4 (for an average speed over the last 1/8th of 99.5mph). For this to happen, you would have to be trapping a good deal FASTER THAN 108mph in the 1/4 (as you would need to bring your average speed over the last 1/8th up to 98.9mph). Now, I realize that you and Ron feel your car is strong, but do you guys actually believe a timeslip that has a stock SHO trapping at over 108 mph?

This does not take anything away from the 14.6x runs you were able to nail down. That is a worthy accomplishment for a stock SHO no doubt. But your 'proof' of the 14.23 run (your timeslip) is what actually proves that it was impossible.

 

[93rev2sev]

Sooner or later I'm going to have to agree to disregard this timeslip completely. I know this.

Sam, put up my 14.608@97 please.

Back to THIS timeslip:

I'll contend that you can't use the other MPH figures to prove or disprove anything.

Here are the TIMES compared with my 14.608

Same 60' (is it an accurate reading? probably not. what are the chances that I got 2.344 twice in a row? 1 in about 1,000).

At 594 feet, my 14.23 is actually SLOWER by a hair
At the 1/8th mile, my 14.23 is SLOWER by a tenth

So I needed to make up more than half a second in the last 1/8th mile on my 14.608

If I shifted into third AFTER this point...I think that it's possible, since shifting into third can range from about .1 second to about .4 seconds. If I shifted into third perfectly, which I can most certainly do (on occasion), that would make up at least half of the needed time. As I rewatch the 15.03 run I see that I'm shifting into third before the 1/8 mile cones but it takes me FOREVER to get into third and get the clutch back out. There's a lot of time to be made up in that run.

Now if you graph at the rest of my runs for the day, you'll see a straight line from 15.2@95 with a 2.39 60' to 14.6@97 with a 2.34 60'. Trap speeds and 60' times are not that far off, but the ETs just kept going down.

I didn't improve that much in the launch, I just shifted faster and faster (mostly third) and the car just kept getting stronger and stronger.

Take a look at my 15.029 (I've realized this is not my 14.999 run that I thought it was) and tell me there's not .798 seconds to be made up.
http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/wolf99tpc/?action=view&current=15flat.mp4

And here's my 14.86 run just for perspective.
http://s1015.photobucket.com/albums...21-2012/?action=view&current=GOPROMevsTom.mp4

 

[Toolman]

I'll contend that you can't use the other MPH figures to prove or disprove anything.

Okay, then let's disregard the other lane. Looking at only your lane, to complete the last 1/8th as quick as your slip shows, you would need to average 98.9 mph. AVERAGE!