starter wouldnt stop

[brandon_89sho]

Ok here's my problem.
A week ago I changed my battery terminals and starter selnoid..ran good for exactly a week...then

I went to a store shutoff my car then 1min later went to start it it cranked then didn't start so I turned the key off but starter kept cranking without key in it. Then stopped."deadbattery".
Went to jump started cranking as soon as the cable touched car started up but starter was still cranking drove it 100 feet it shutoff towed it home.then changed starter , starter selnoid, battery terminals and ignition lock cylinder..

I have no power to the whole car except the starter it will crank now only when jumper cables are hooked to it.

1 fuse melted it was the bottom fuse in the fuse box it sits in horizonally. Replaced it still no power.

My car is a 89 sho

 

[whiteman_01]

Any chance the positive cable from the battery is touching the switch post on the solenoid? If the solenoid is only a week old, i would def. change it out.

 

[deercrusher]

relay

I can't remember - but I'm pretty sure there is a relay for the starter. Could be the relay is faulty.

 

[TopGunnYFZ]

How weird I replaced the Starter solenoid with a Borg Warner unit on my '90 about 2 months ago worked fine for a week. I had to move it out of the drive to get my truck out so i park it in the street shut it off, put it in gear (no e brake) I start backing out of the drive with the truck and notice my cars rolling down the street. No key or anything in the car but the starter was crankin and driving my car down the road WTF. Take the solenoid back to the store it was defective, melted my battery and fried my starter (AWESOME). Got a new solenoid, battery and starter (free) and everything still works thank god.

Id check all the wires, as for the fuse did it melt or did it pop?

 

[brandon_89sho]

changed them

I change the selnoid once that happened so it got a new one.. And for the wires I thought that's what happen so I taped the little exposed metal so if the touch they won't spark.. And that fuse melted ...

 

[NEp8ntballer]

sounds like a stuck starter solenoid.

 

[brandon_89sho]

After I hook new selnoid up the only way to get motor to crank is with a screw driver to jump the selnoid..only if a set of jumpers cables are hooked up. But other then power to the selnoid there is no other power...
Is there like a main fuse for all power???if that makes sense..at my house the power went out in half and it was a fuse at the main that controled half of the ciruitbreakers. Anything like that on the car?
I'm going to change ignition switch so all my starting stuff is new

 

[NEp8ntballer]

After I hook new selnoid up the only way to get motor to crank is with a screw driver to jump the selnoid..only if a set of jumpers cables are hooked up. But other then power to the selnoid there is no other power...
Is there like a main fuse for all power???if that makes sense..at my house the power went out in half and it was a fuse at the main that controled half of the ciruitbreakers. Anything like that on the car?
I'm going to change ignition switch so all my starting stuff is new

did you connect the wires going to the starter properly? the way power gets from the battery to the vehicle is the red wire with the black stripe that is hooked the the starter post. Both the red wire(hot lead) and the red wire with the black stripe are to be hooked up to the same post.

 

[Flash Gordon]

I believe that there is a fusible link near the firewall on the drivers side. It sounds like you may have popped it. I have seen them on my 92, not sure about the gen 1.

James

 

[brandon_89sho]

Under the hood I take it

 

[Flash Gordon]

Yes, sorry. Right next to wiper motor and vacuum block. There is also a small fuse box (with big fuses) there.

James

 

[geomarathoner]

Yep, there is a starter relay....under the hood on the driver's side....2 big wires, from the battery and to the starter. The relay should always be open, unless the key is in the ignition and turned to the crank position. When you got it to crank by jumping it at the starter terminals, was someone else turning the key to the crank position for you? If not then something must be connected wrong because the hot wire from the battery comes to an end at the relay terminal....a couple of feet away from the starter.

 

[geomarathoner]

Went back to your original note.....nobody was doing anything with the key.....so it's obvious that the original problem was a stuck (closed) relay. Replace that sucker. They are cheap.

 

[brandon_89sho]

Sorry I found no such thing the just the fender mounted selnoid there. I ran the power from bat and the org and blk wire to one side of it and the blk wire going to starter hooked by itself. It started right up with jumpers hookd for 10min.
Drove it YAY!!!. Got it back shut it off the wouldn't start back up.. Has full power just makes a weird noise.
Note:new starter, starter selnoid, igintion lock cylinder, igintion switch, new battery terminal, and finally the battery is about 2 months old.

 

[geomarathoner]

Aha....slight terminology problem.....that thing in front of the driver's side shock tower is the starter relay, and the Ford manual (section 28-02 for starting circuits) doesn't even use the term solenoid. Older starters used to be made with an integral solenoid, but that lump on the top of a SHO starter is really just a lever assembly that reaches out to mesh the starter gear with the big ring gear when the starter motor spins. Happens mechanically, not electrically like a real solenoid. Here's a test for the key/starter relay circuit: 1 disconnect the big incoming power wire from the starter and be sure it won't touch anything. 2 you should have battery voltage at the input terminal (ie from the battery) of the starter relay. 3 you should have zero voltage at the output terminal of the relay. 4 when the key is turned to the crank position (with the clutch pedal held down) you should get battery voltage at the output terminal, then back to zero voltage when the key is released or if you let the clutch pedal up.

 

[brandon_89sho]

Found out where noise was coming from. Sounds like it is coming from a box on top of the raditor with the letter M on it?
Does this make sense. To anyone

 

[SHOMON]

That box is called the CCRM it controls a ton of stuff. I don't know about the starter on a gen 1 though.

 

[brandon_89sho]

Well took my battery up to autozone I guess it bad they gave me a new one. The battery I bought 11-8-09. Hopefuly that gets me on the road everything ecept the alterntor is new...I LOVE MY SHO...

 

[geomarathoner]

Found out where noise was coming from. Sounds like it is coming from a box on top of the raditor with the letter M on it?
Does this make sense. To anyone

Don't think so.....there are no moving parts inside to be making noise.....

 

[brandon_89sho]

Well guys got the new battery in car fired right up ran for 10 mins. I shut it off and it started again. I drove it home 25 mins and lights radio and heat all were working no power lose during the drive and when I got home I shut it down and it started again. So hopefuly I got it fixed. Its weird how one problem can effect so many things when it comes to eletrical. The guy said it probably fired the battery when it was cranking forever. I don't really know