Shelby Cobra GT500

[intimdatr]

Were these test done on the same Rims and tires? Wheels will make a difference in some things. Not trying to say anything, just asking an honest to god question wanting an answer.

And as we see on the Map they really are pretty even OVERALL. Road courses arent all about one thing, you need both.

 

[shaker281]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cywhAuuM-_U&feature=player_embedded

 

[shaker281]

Look at the Road and Track Laguna Seca results. The GT500 is faster on the straights, but every turn but 1 the ZL1 is significantly higher g readings and speeds. The ZL1 handles better.

And yet the GT500 won. But handling will never overcome power where 99% of all match ups will occur, on the street and strip.

 

[shaker281]

Here is a quote from the guy who beat the Torq zl1 at VIR, "I might just do some minor mods to the suspension and see what I can do against my buddy Bruce in his ZR1 because frankly the Chevy guys are right. The 2013 GT500 is more closely matched with the ZR1 at half the price. I was only about 4 seconds behind the ZR1 at Sebring. Considering he had a 5 point harness, stabilizer bar up front that he told me enabled him to pick up 3 seconds at Sebring and he was on Hoosiers (Big fat ones) I think the Chevy boys are dead on. ZR1 is competition to the 2013 GT500 and not the zl1. Eh, not so much. In fact, not at all. They might claim an autocross victory against a 80 year old man with macular degeneration in the GT500 but other than that they are done."

 

[black99lightnin]

If you can't look at this telemetry and understand that the GT500 is clearly better in acceleration but the ZL1 is clearly better in handling, then you have issues.

I don't think anyone has dismissed the ZL1 as the better handler. The GT500 is not a bad handling car by any stretch just not as good as the ZL1. Look at the g's the GT500 is pulling on the track you showed an image of, it's not a John Deere. Give it some credit.

Do you agree the ZL1 has no chance in any straightline competition? This is where 99% of the racing will happen.

 

[SHOspazz92]

Both cars are over weight turds, that will spend more time at car shows, on a dyno and in the garage under a cover then they ever will on a track. With that being the case, I think I would like to see a "How fast can it pull in to the garage" or "How fast does the trunk open to pull out my car cover because its about to rain" test.

-Sam (Mad because I can't afford either)

 

[thebigjimsho]

I don't think anyone has dismissed the ZL1 as the better handler. The GT500 is not a bad handling car by any stretch just not as good as the ZL1. Look at the g's the GT500 is pulling on the track you showed an image of, it's not a John Deere. Give it some credit.

Do you agree the ZL1 has no chance in any straightline competition? This is where 99% of the racing will happen.

Look, it is an overwhelming rush of people hailing the GT500 as the be-all-end-all of pony cars. I loved the improvements they made on the '11 and '12 to make it a much more balanced, and potent, car. The power the GT500 puts out is astonishing. Nuff said.

BUT, I'm trying to point out that while the GT500 is no slouch, it doesn't handle like the ZL1. That's all. And for the gulf of power that the GT500 has over the Camaro, it is very impressive that the Camaro's handling can close that gap on a race course.

As for 99% of racing, I was at the SHO Convention. There was just as much road racing as there was drag strip. And if you're driving to a national meet, you're going to want to do it in the ZL1 more than the GT500 if it's more than a few hundred miles. And all those curvy roads in between will be more fun.

Even with these cars, racing is a small part of the owner experience. Unless you like to bench race. THAT's the 99% of the racing that's done with these cars...

 

[black99lightnin]

Look, it is an overwhelming rush of people hailing the GT500 as the be-all-end-all of pony cars. I loved the improvements they made on the '11 and '12 to make it a much more balanced, and potent, car. The power the GT500 puts out is astonishing. Nuff said.

BUT, I'm trying to point out that while the GT500 is no slouch, it doesn't handle like the ZL1. That's all. And for the gulf of power that the GT500 has over the Camaro, it is very impressive that the Camaro's handling can close that gap on a race course.

As for 99% of racing, I was at the SHO Convention. There was just as much road racing as there was drag strip. And if you're driving to a national meet, you're going to want to do it in the ZL1 more than the GT500 if it's more than a few hundred miles. And all those curvy roads in between will be more fun.

Even with these cars, racing is a small part of the owner experience. Unless you like to bench race. THAT's the 99% of the racing that's done with these cars...

The Zl1 is a stronger handling vehicle and has a cushier ride. However the GT500 does handle very good, just not as good.

My archiac 09 drives just fine. I've driven it to Florida and back, 4+ hours each way. On the way there had a few spirited runs with an M3(bus lengths) and a C63(5+ cars) from highway speeds to over 120. We didn't stop to set up cones are try running through the streets, just straight line. The only gripe I have with the GT500's is the placement of the parking brake, and I had 3.73's installed and have the whine. I'm going to buy a FRPP 3.73 rear end assembly to fix that. A new GT500 is on my shortlist, but until then have installed the 2013 TVS. What a difference. So in a way I've driven a 2013(power wise atleast).

And you need to check SVTP, and see how many GT500 owners go to the track. It's the vast majority.

 

[Toolman]

Why are we arguing about two inferior vehicles when my SHO will own both of them.....





































when it comes to insurance rates.

 

[RonPorter]

Wow!! Been away from this thead "that won't die" for a week or so!!

Whatever. I just hate the way the new Camaro looks, even with 1000 HP for $40K.....

For a new vehicle, Boss 302 Laguna Seca.....

GT500 is sweet, but I wouldn't drive it as much.

 

[EcoBrick Bob]

Had a big car show here in Clear Lake today. (400+ cars). Saw a 2013 White/blue stripe Shelby 500 coupe & a 2013 Charcoal Roush Supercharged Mustang Conv. Definitely preferred the Shelby to all (maybe 10-15) new style Camaros, a couple of which were supercharged, but not ZL-1's. Agree the ZL-1 Camaro has an advantage on road courses due to their latest generation Magnetic shocks.

 

[SHOspazz92]

Had a big car show here in Clear Lake today. (400+ cars). Saw a 2013 White/blue stripe Shelby 500 coupe & a 2013 Charcoal Roush Supercharged Mustang Conv. Definitely preferred the Shelby to all (maybe 10-15) new style Camaros, a couple of which were supercharged, but not ZL-1's. Agree the ZL-1 Camaro has an advantage on road courses due to their latest generation Magnetic shocks .

And IRS....

-Sam

 

[thebigjimsho]

Wow!! Been away from this thead "that won't die" for a week or so!!

Whatever. I just hate the way the new Camaro looks, even with 1000 HP for $40K.....

For a new vehicle, Boss 302 Laguna Seca.....

GT500 is sweet, but I wouldn't drive it as much.

Well, it was dead until you showed up...

 

[jrsrkrkr]

Tire size between Shelby and Camaro

If I remember correctly the Camaro had 1 inch wider tires at each corner. What difference do you think it would make if the Shelby had the same width tires as the Camaro?
Would the skid pad and track cornering G's improve for the Shelby? How about acceleration numbers?

 

[thebigjimsho]

see below.

 

[thebigjimsho]

If I remember correctly the Camaro had 1 inch wider tires at each corner. What difference do you think it would make if the Shelby had the same width tires as the Camaro?
Would the skid pad and track cornering G's improve for the Shelby? How about acceleration numbers?

Probably nothing noticeable. Many assume throwing on a wider tire automatically makes a better performer. That's usually not the case...

 

[intimdatr]

Probably nothing noticeable. Many assume throwing on a wider tire automatically makes a better performer. That's usually not the case...

.5 inch in the front and 1.5 in the rear, which equals 4 inches more of mechanical grip. Both cars come with the same brand and type tire. It may not ALWAYS be the case but id bet a lot of money it sure as **** helps.

 

[DrivinhardLLC]

Magnetic shocks are good for one thing, that is the ability to have multiple shock "curves" in one damper. This is a bonus for a car that has a "sport" mode and a "touring" mode. the damper curves while out on the track, are only as good as the base valving and the programming. A correctly valved damper (non ferrous fluid) will be just as effective out on a track as a magnetic one.

I work closely with Penske Racing Shocks on media projects, and they were playing with that technology a long long time ago.

I'd like to see one of the GM magnetic shocks on a dyno to see exactly how much latitude they can vary their (overall) curves, and how much isolation they have in the slow/med/high speed areas.

 

[black99lightnin]

don't have a 2013 GT500 yet, but I did score it's blower. On my heavier 09 GT500(iron block), C&L CAI, off road X, maggie catback, Dr's. 11.09 @ 128.54. With the right tires and driver I can see a dr equipped '13 duplicating these times, no way a stock ZL1 with tires is getting anywhere near that time.

 

[thebigjimsho]

Yawn.