rotor integrity- clear-cut answer?

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MaDDaDDaM

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I've been looking at racing brakes, and drueling I might add, and the brakes Baer offers have a cross-drilling and slotting option for their rotors. I find this funny simply because they charge like an extra $250 when it can be done in a machine shop for a tenth the cost. However, at the same time, I have encounter some on this site who have raised the concern of rotor integrity. "Once you start drilling holes in your rotors, they're not as strong." has been the argument. Yet, obviosly if those whose whole job it is to make performace brakes, shouldn't they know what they're doing?

So I guess my question is: Is it safe, and more improtantly- worth it... to slot and cross-drill rotors?
 

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I can tell you from experience that cross drilled rotors get premature stress fractures when used on a daily driver. Similiar to this picture.

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As in the above image, gas grooving the rotors is the best option for the street and occasional track use.

<small>[ November 30, 2003, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: yellowSHO ]</small>
 

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Unless its a pure show car, I wouldn't waste the money. Even if it were a pure show car, I still wouldn't waste the money.
 

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Most of the cross-drilling these days is done for looks, not for performance. This is why every brake manufacturer on the planet offers cross-drilling; because they can sell it and people are willing to pay for it, again, mostly for the looks.

The advantages of cross drilling these days are that it creates more surface area for the rotor to lose heat, and it lightens the rotor. I haven't seen much yet on how effective the heat reduction actually is, but some pro race teams do still cross drill their rotors, so I don't dismiss this out of hand. The weight loss may be the primary motivator for race teams. For a street car they're really only for looks, but since a lot of people want the looks outfits like Baer are more than happy to take their money.

Another thing to remember, though, is that the real racers that are cross-drilling their rotors change the rotors frequently. The cross-drilling creates the opportunity for the stress fractures that YellowSHO has pointed out, but for race teams the rotors seldom get old enough for that to be a problem, or are at least inspected frequently enough that they're always changed before a failure occurs. Street cars seldom get that kind of attention, and tend to run a long time on a single set of rotors.

Several months ago I went out to Baer's place to pick up my brakes, and in their lobby they have some examples of rotors that have failed in what must have been pretty spectacular manners. Just looking briefly at them it looked like they'd failed at fractures around the cross-drill holes. One was a large two-piece rotor that tore the hat apart when it failed.

Many people get the rotors slotted, which isn't nearly as bad for the rotor strength and reliability, but which is also largely for looks for a street car. Again, though, many race teams do slot their rotors, and I'm not really even sure why. Most modern pad compounds don't need the slotting, and I've wondered why even bother? It may be one of those things where there's less reason not to do it for a race car than there is to do it.

My car sees a lot of track use, and I've always used just plain, flat surface rotors. This gives the maximum amount of surface area for the pad to work against, and the least amount of hassle for maintenance (easy to turn, don't need to worry as much about cracks, etc.).

As usual, though, get what you want. YMMV, etc. :)
 

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one of the newer trends i'm seeing more and more is dimpled rotors. instead of drilling straight through the rotor they make divets in the rotor. this gives you some of the advantages of crossdrilling, while maintaing a good deal of the structural integrity of the rotor. on our cars cross drilling is definetly a no-no due to the fact that our cars are so HEAVY. this puts alot more stress on the rotors espescially if you have 2 piston calipers. more pistons tend to more evenly dissapate the braking force on the pads and rotors. as for slotted rotors, they're perfectly fine, and their main purpose is to vent gas away from the surface of the rotor, causing less brake fade. so the BEST combo for our car would be slotted and dimpled. good luck finding them...
 

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I don't think the gas venting is an issue since pads with organic binders are pretty rare nowadays.

I haven't seen the dimpling, but I have seen wave-cut rotors and pads that increase the amount of surface area contact between the rotor and pad (and probably seriously reduce the life of each, but, that's a tradeoff...)
 

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also seen thoes crazy kangaroo paw rotors. i'm not sure if thoes would work too well, anyone else heard of them?
 

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As far as the street, and moderate track work, is concerned, stick with either a plain rotor or go with slotted. Crossdrilling does nothing but create minimal gains (if any on the stree) in braking performance while potentially creating several coslty and even dangerous situations. If you look at my sig, I've gotten great results out of my setup on track without having any slots or crossdrilling. If you just want aesthetics, go for the slots only, but you probably still won't see much performance gain out of these.
 

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