Question about valve shims

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Ferendon

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When you do a valve lash adjustment, you turn the cam lobe to TDC, and then measure the gap between the shim and the lobe, measure the shim, and add it to the gap between the lobe and shim, and the total is the size of the shim you should replace it with???
So basically, the shim is X
The gap between the shim and lobe is Y
and the new should is Z
X+Y=Z???
 

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The cam lobe tip doesn't need to be pointing straight up. It can be off quite a bit and the measurements you take will still be correct. As long as it looks like it's pointing straight up you will be more than fine. Just thought you should know so you don't waste any time trying to get the lobe pointing straight to the sky. Get it close to up and then go to town with the feeler.

Also, you don't need to measure the shim. So don't waste your money on a micrometer for this job if you don't already have one. Just use the shim spec that's printed on the shim. And make sure to recheck the clearance after you select a new shim. The shims don't always match the printed spec 100%. The measurement with a feeler gauge is the final authority. So make sure to double check the final clearance so that you know the actual clearance is within the spec you want, rather than just putting a shim in that matches the calculated value and leaving it at that. Sorry for the run on sentences, hope I made enough sense. My mind isn't 100% today.
 

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ShoJuan you just told me what I needed to know, thanks alot man. Where can I get the shims? I'll check boneyards to begin with... Just for collecting purposes.
 

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I am in the middle of this right now and just wanna get a few things straight

I bought a feeler gauge but is it now precise enough? it goes from .008" (.203mm) which does fit under the cam lobe and the next size up is .009" (.229mm) which doesnt fit under the cam lobe. Do I need to buy a feeler gauge with smaller increments between .008" & .009"?

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And also if anyone has Scott's valve lash adjustment write-up can you please email it to me or the whole top end for that matter? [email protected] I PM'ed him last week but... nothing

thanks
 

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Yes. That sounds like the same increments that my feeler gauge set has. The rule with feeler gauges is that the measure of the gap is at least as large as the thickest feeler gauge that will fit into the gap without interference (any contact) and less than the next thickness gauge that has interference. As you have surmised, a feeler gauge is not a precision measurement tool. However, there are few alternatives in this application.

The imprecision of the measurement is the reason that I set the gap of the valve shims to be the next smallest gauge size than the nominal thickness. With the gauge set that we have, I calculate and install a shim for the intakes that allows the .178mm gauge to fit without interference, but not the .203mm gauge. For the exhaust valves, I shoot for the .279mm gauge t fit, but not the .305mm gauge.

The nominal values are .20mm for the intakes and .30mm for the exhausts with a range of plus or minus .05mm around each of those points. The method I use ensures that the gap is between the nominal thickness (intake example .203mm) and one feeler gauge thickness less (ex. .179mm), but larger than one full gauge size above the minimum (ex. .15mm). This allows for at least the design amount of valve lift and still maintains a clear margin for error on the small side.

There are engineering justifications for setting a range, the nominal (center) value is the manufacturer's ideal setting. This accounts for impact energy, valve lift and duration and thermal expansion of the component parts (among others). You can't set the gap to less than the minimim thickness without the risk of not letting the valve seat under full spring pressure. This could cause loss of compression and power under conditions where the valve is not seated and valve seat erosion if the seat pressure is not sufficient to contain the combustion pressures.

I hope this gives you a valve lifting experience.
 

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You do not want to loosen the crank bolt. By tuning it counter clockwise you could loosen it up a bit. Make sure you re torque it now.
 

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Ishodu said:
You guys have to find some metric feeler gauges makes the job alot easier.

Yes it would. I have not been able to locate a set at any of my local tool sources.
 

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Thank God I have some... My dad was a mechanic for 30+ years, and when he passed, I got all of his tools, whether I know what they're for or not...
 

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hehehehe

I have a new mission at the ATU (like Autozone) and Bauhaus (Home depot). I need some feelers, anyways, so I'll take mine metric, thank you. :eek:

I found some here:
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp
Just do a search for "feeler gauge".

What's weird, though, is that a lot of German stuff is still in goofy American measurements. Road bikes use 700cc tires, mtn. bikes use 26".

Then they also use inches for car rims. :huh:

Just pick a measurement already!! :bonk:
 

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I just visited the link posted earlier to order that Snap-On Tools feeler gauge set and found that the cheapest shipping at $8.95 ran the total up to almost $18. I think that's a little extreme for a feeler gauge set.
 

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sdpatt said:
I just visited the link posted earlier to order that Snap-On Tools feeler gauge set and found that the cheapest shipping at $8.95 ran the total up to almost $18. I think that's a little extreme for a feeler gauge set.

OUCH. I agree.
Shipping sure does **** you-

I was looking to pick up some of my favorite books via Ebay. Most are $.50 to $1.00. But then w/ s&H they were more like $5 per USED book.
 

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