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BurpWhisperer

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Just wanted to check in here since I'm considering a 2010 - 2012 used SHO for my next vehicle. I'm coming from a '12 Kia Optima 2.0T, which has been great, but looking for something with a little more room and a lot faster. The SHO seems to tick every box. You guys mind weighing in on a few questions?

1. Any common problems with these vehicles that I should look for when shopping? Just wondering if there's anything I should look at closely when shopping a used one.

2. Seeing just about everyone talking about getting a tune. Are there any reliability issues associated with them?

3. How do these things do in the snow? Good on all-seasons or am I going to need to invest in Blizzaks like I did with the Optima, which was essentially useless in the snow.

4. I'll admit I'm a sucker for interior creature comforts. The Kia will be hard to top by anything in this price segment, but just wondering before I sit in one what to expect.
 

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Welcome!

I had a '11 Optima EX 2.4 (bought new, drove for 11 months/11k miles) and a '12 Sonata 2.0T Limited (bought new, drove for 24 months 30k miles) before I bought my 2013 SHO w/ 5k miles on it 2.5 months ago.

The SHO is soooo much nicer than the Korean cars. Much quieter and better handling, the main things I couldn't stand with my Sonata. Not to mention the massive wheel hop I'd get when the 2.0T would kick in. I love the huge trunk in the SHO and love how much more room the front seats/console have.

Get the 2013 if you can, they can be had for around $28-30K. I paid $30,800 (plus tax). for my 8 month old 5500 mile fully loaded Performance Package SHO ($47.5 sticker). I flew from Colorado to Dallas to get it, as it was exactly what I wanted. A lot of nice updates that are worth the money (huge brake upgrade, remote start, power steering wheel, heated steering wheel, LED tails, MyFordTouch, new 20" wheels, new grille/headlights/headliner/gauge cluster, and some other things I'm forgetting). Should have all of the tous you liked in your SX and more. Can't get a panoramic roof but I'm glad to have a regular sunroof again. The pano roof on my Sonata would creak and the seal was starting to have issues (common problem). SHO has a lot of stuff the SX doesn't have (adaptive CC, blind spot warning, collision warning, auto parking, rain sensing wipers, remote start, massage seats, heated steering wheel, power steering wheel, power pedals, adjustable ambient lighting, etc).

These cars respond very well to just a tune. Tune only cars (w/ 3bar sensor) are running 12.7@108mph in Michigan (Milan) right now. Almost a full second in the 1/4 mile. No tune only cars have had engine/tranny failures, very safe. The two big tuners for the SHO is Livernois (LMS) and Unleashed. LMS is in the Detroit area, so definitely would check them out if you are close. The LMS guys with 2010-2012 SHOs are running very good 1/4 times. Their 2013+ tune seems to be a little more conservative, guys are running 12.8's+ with similar mods. I plan to do a full exhaust (Corsa catback+PPE Down Pipes) for $2000, a tune for $500, a 3bar map sensor for $60, and new spark plugs for $60. That should make it a solid 12.5-12.7 car with a 0-60 in the low 4's.

I haven't had mine in snow yet but already bought a winter package from TireRack. I live in the mountains, so I benefit from dedicated snow tires. I lived in Michigan for 8 years and was always fine with all seasons (no hills), so you'll be fine with a top of the line A/S. SHO's with the Performance Package come from the factory with summer tires (Goodyear F1 Supercars), so those need to be swapped out.

I'd avoid 2010 if possible, a number of TSBs were issued to fix issues. A lot of clunking with the transmissions and other things that required flashing the computers. I see a number of people who need the hubs replaced before 60k miles, start making a noise. Spark plugs need to be replaced after 50k miles, people see a large difference with new ones. 2010-2012's have peeling chrome on the tail lights, seems all of them do this. Either accept it, paint them, or plastidip them. Some are swapping them out with SEL tails to get rid of the chrome. Not a direct swap with 2013+ LED tails, requires the updated 2013+ trunk. The drivetrain seems to be holding up well, have seen a couple posts with engines blowing but that's typical for any forum/car.
 
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i agree with everything poker said but id like to note the 2010 just had crappier plugs from the factory if you get new ones there is only the new ones. I havnt had any clunking with transmission but id like to know how to test it for that.
the taillights are truly a pita. id get a 2013 solely on that fact lol the leds look much better and grille.

Winter tires are essential cause although i found the awd system to do pretty good the things so heavy all seasons with a little bit of wear dont cut it. i was almost going into ditch on offramps at like 15-20 mph. We do get really cold temps(-50F) and alot of ice up here its pita aswell.
 

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I wouldn't avoid 2010=12 SHOs solely on the basis of TSBs. The older a vehicle gets, the more problems that get exposed, and not necessarily reliability type problems. No manufacturer has escaped this problem in recent years. Will there be more scheduled maintenance with more years/mileage? Sure. Key is to take your time driving/picking your vehicle, with knowledge in hand.

You can search the internet to find summaries of all the TSBs currently out there, a mostly updated list is also available here:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,496

TSB details can be found here:
http://www.revbase.com/BBBMotor/TSb/
 

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Since I just bought mine, I'll share my buying process.

My requirements were 2012+, $30K, AWD, and loaded. I narrowed my choices to a 2013 SHO, 2012-2013 G37xS, 2012+ Acura TL SH-AWD Advance, and a 2012+ Charger R/T AWD Max. I also briefly entertained a 2015 WRX Limited CVT but nixed that due to size, no luxury and boy racer image. My local CarMax had all of the cars, except a SHO, to drive and compare. I had to drive a distance to find a 2013 SHO to test drive. I liked the high seating position of the SHO and think it handled just fine for being so large. The TL SH-AWD handles very nicely and the G37xS had some balls for a V6. SHO is only one that doesn't require premium, but once tuned, you'll run 93 octane.

In the end, the SHO won luxury features, performance, and easiest/cheapest to make it a 12 second car. Definitely get more bang for the buck with the SHO. I also love the exclusivity of the SHO. I can go months without seeing another one on the road.

I'm 33 and owned quite a variety of cars (06 TBSS, 06 GTO, 06 Magnum R/T AWD, 02 Passat 1.8T, 12 Sonata 2.0T) the past 10 years, and the SHO is my favorite hands down. I can't wait to start modding it, will really surprise some people on the streets and the track. It doesn't have the douche/snob image as BMW, Audi, and Infiniti. Flies under the radar as just a Taurus to the average joe. Fits me perfectly.

Kind of funny, but I wanted factory remote start that turned on the heated/cooled seats, heated steering wheel, and other hvac functions. The only cars that have this is the SHO and Charger. It amazes me how the foreign cars don't even offer factory remote start. The 2015+ Charger looks so much better IMO, but AWD is only available with the V6 now (boo!).
 
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Welcome!

I had a '11 Optima EX 2.4 (bought new, drove for 11 months/11k miles) and a '12 Sonata 2.0T Limited (bought new, drove for 24 months 30k miles) before I bought my 2013 SHO w/ 5k miles on it 2.5 months ago.

The SHO is soooo much nicer than the Korean cars. Much quieter and better handling, the main things I couldn't stand with my Sonata. Not to mention the massive wheel hop I'd get when the 2.0T would kick in. I love the huge trunk in the SHO and love how much more room the front seats/console have.

Get the 2013 if you can, they can be had for around $28-30K. I paid $30,800 (plus tax). for my 8 month old 5500 mile fully loaded Performance Package SHO ($47.5 sticker). I flew from Colorado to Dallas to get it, as it was exactly what I wanted. A lot of nice updates that are worth the money (huge brake upgrade, remote start, power steering wheel, heated steering wheel, LED tails, MyFordTouch, new 20" wheels, new grille/headlights/headliner/gauge cluster, and some other things I'm forgetting). Should have all of the tous you liked in your SX and more. Can't get a panoramic roof but I'm glad to have a regular sunroof again. The pano roof on my Sonata would creak and the seal was starting to have issues (common problem). SHO has a lot of stuff the SX doesn't have (adaptive CC, blind spot warning, collision warning, auto parking, rain sensing wipers, remote start, massage seats, heated steering wheel, power steering wheel, power pedals, adjustable ambient lighting, etc).

These cars respond very well to just a tune. Tune only cars (w/ 3bar sensor) are running 12.7@108mph in Michigan (Milan) right now. Almost a full second in the 1/4 mile. No tune only cars have had engine/tranny failures, very safe. The two big tuners for the SHO is Livernois (LMS) and Unleashed. LMS is in the Detroit area, so definitely would check them out if you are close. The LMS guys with 2010-2012 SHOs are running very good 1/4 times. Their 2013+ tune seems to be a little more conservative, guys are running 12.8's+ with similar mods. I plan to do a full exhaust (Corsa catback+PPE Down Pipes) for $2000, a tune for $500, a 3bar map sensor for $60, and new spark plugs for $60. That should make it a solid 12.5-12.7 car with a 0-60 in the low 4's.

I haven't had mine in snow yet but already bought a winter package from TireRack. I live in the mountains, so I benefit from dedicated snow tires. I lived in Michigan for 8 years and was always fine with all seasons (no hills), so you'll be fine with a top of the line A/S. SHO's with the Performance Package come from the factory with summer tires (Goodyear F1 Supercars), so those need to be swapped out.

I'd avoid 2010 if possible, a number of TSBs were issued to fix issues. A lot of clunking with the transmissions and other things that required flashing the computers. I see a number of people who need the hubs replaced before 60k miles, start making a noise. Spark plugs need to be replaced after 50k miles, people see a large difference with new ones. 2010-2012's have peeling chrome on the tail lights, seems all of them do this. Either accept it, paint them, or plastidip them. Some are swapping them out with SEL tails to get rid of the chrome. Not a direct swap with 2013+ LED tails, requires the updated 2013+ trunk. The drivetrain seems to be holding up well, have seen a couple posts with engines blowing but that's typical for any forum/car.

Agree completely, although mine has been through a winter in Colorado Springs now on normal all-season tires and did just fine. PokerMunkee is higher up in elevation (Woodland Park is probably another 1000' over the Springs, which sits at around 6100' above sea level), so I can see how he'd need the extra grip in the snow. I powered on through with the stock all-season tires and never had an issue. These cars are perfect Colorado performers---the AWD and the twin turbos mean you'll have grip longer than most others (except maybe Subarus and Audis), and you can easily muscle your way out of trouble.

Haven't had any issues with my taillights, and I've had the car exactly one year this month.

As far as recalls/TSBs go, I haven't had a lot of problems. There was one recall for the fuel sending unit earlier this year, which was handled without problems. Just got a recall notice this past week for the right-hand half-shaft (Ford Safety Recall Number 14S10/NHTSA Recall 14V-393). Don't expect any problems there either.

I will, however, refer you to my thread from last fall about critter infestation. Seems small animals REALLY like to crawl up inside the skid plate to get warm next to the turbos:

http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=126778

Beyond that, I'd say relax, go find ya one, get a pre-purchase inspection done, and Enjoy!
 

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All good info, thanks. Regarding modding and tracking it, I really have no interest in taking it to the 1/4 other than to just test and tune, but I do like to do a track day or two every year. Am I going to kick myself if I skip on the Performance Pack, or am I better off just trying to do some of those upgrades on my own? Sounds like cooling and brakes?
 

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You don't need a PP. I don't have it and I do pretty good at the track.
 

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2013+ Performance Package includes an engine oil cooler, transmission oil cooler, and a heat exchanger on the PTU. Also includes an alcantara steering wheel, better brake pads, sharper steering, stability control override, and 3.16 diff. 20" wheels with summer tires.

The PP on 2010-2012 was sharper steering, stability control override, and 3.16 diff. 20" wheels with summer tires.
 

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