performance friction pads

[Sgtmeatsauce1]

2013 PP car. The performance package list the vehicles brakes as having performance friction pads. Are these a name brand of pads or type of pads? How do they compare to Hawk HPS? Hawk HPS are my favorite street pads.
I saw that the new ZL1 camaro with 650 hp and 650 tq does zero to 60 in 3.5 seconds, 11.4@127, weighs 3600 lbs, has 15.4 inch 2 piece rotors, Brembo 6 piston calibers and special summer tires. Goes from 60 to zero in 107 feet. Where as my 2013 SHO with PP and performance friction pads did it in 106 ft! Interesting. .......

 

[sholxgt]

The PP cars have a slightly different design to the pad that has more surface area and are semi-metallic instead of ceramic. They are the same brand from the factory...Motorcraft.

 

[RonPorter]

If they're PFCM (Performance Friction), they aren't that good. 25 yeas ago, they were our only SHO option. Rather than HPS, go with the HP+. They will work better. I still prefer Carbotech XP10 across a few cars I've used them on, but they ay be more than you need, unless you do track days.

 

[Sgtmeatsauce1]

How are the HP+ different from the Hawk HPS? I also have used many other performance street pads including Red Stuff ( great pad but less then 15,000iles) and Yellow Stuff-hard to brake in winter until warmed up, seems more track like then street. The Performance Friction carbon metallic, worked great for me, street only no track, little dust, quiet, good in winter lasted then longest, not as good as Hawk HPS-FOR my driving. Not tried the popular Carbotechs yet.

 

[sholxgt]

Carbotechs' are still the best I've tried among several types on different cars.

I just put Bendix Police spec pads on the MKS along with PP calipers. Liking them so far. Very dirty, but seem to be much better than the stock ceramics. I think about any pad on these cars is decent as long as they aren't ceramics. They give up a lot of performance in return for clean wheels.

 

[Sgtmeatsauce1]

Those carbotechs, are they exceptional as a street pad, as I will never be tracking my car, other then 1/4 mile.....also how do they do in the cold? Are they noisey?....or dusty or ******* the rotors? And how do they last....thanks

 

[sholxgt]

I only had the car for about 10,000 miles with the Carbotech's, but they were completely street friendly. Probably equal in noise and dust to Hawk HPS's. I don't recall now which series I had. With Carbotech, you call them and tell them what you do with the car and they then tell you which pads to run.

The car was a fully upgraded, near all out effort for me with JIC coilovers, Brembo brakes, motor work, etc.

I see no reason for Carbotech's on an MKS/SHO unless you are doing open track days.

 

[SHOdded]

Did you use their Bobcat/Street pads?

 

[sholxgt]

Did you use their Bobcat/Street pads?

If memory serves correct, I used their one step toward race over the Bobcat series. They were basically for light autocross use. They were dirtier than factory pads, but no worse than other performance pads. They did need some heat to work well, but that's easy enough to do as long as you don't live right on a highway. Had them on a Nissan Sentra specV with large Brembo's.

So far, these Bendix Police pads are pretty dirty. I'll know more once I get more miles on them, but I'd say they are about equal with other performance pads. My polished aluminum wheels look like black chrome after very few miles. Price you pay for ability to stop I suppose. My only complaint so far is that they aren't the easiest to modulate when coming to a complete stop. I get that last little grab at the end.

I just wish I got better feel from the brake pedal. Of the cars I've owned and driven, this one is about the worst. That includes trucks and SUV's. I used ATE TYP200 fluid and PP calipers hoping to improve the feel, but no luck. The SHO I test drove was about the same. My best guess is that we have an undersized master cylinder combined with too much rubber line, but not sure. The calipers and rotors are certainly massive enough.

I have enough heat cycles on the new brakes now (should be fully bedded) to try an all out stop. Will report back later today on just how well they work.

 

[SHOdded]

Might want to ask your Lincoln dealer if there is a possibility of adjusting brake feel via calibration. Who knows what software can do these days!

 

[Sgtmeatsauce1]

I love my 2013 pp brakes. They work well under all conditions.