No more trans fluid MTX

[1993MTXSHO]

ok guys as some of you know I got into an accidnet with my SHO and now my trans leaked pretty much all of the fluid out of it. Its a 93 mtx and my questions is is where could this have leaked from. I have tried to check and it seems to be commign from the passenger side but it could bedrippign across stuff. I havent gotten a chance to really look at it since the car has been getting put all pbacktogether and there is no rear suspention on it now so i cna really move it. Last itme I jacked the front up with the rear on stands bad stuff happened. So are there any lines that may have popped off and maybe thats my problem. I know the atc has the trans cooler but does the mtx have any other plac for stuff to leak. I did put syncromesh in the day of the accident so could that have leaked through my seals or ate my seals up becasue the car has almost 100k on it.

 

[Yamaha V6]

Synchromesh will not be an issue. There are no lines to worry about, it's all self-contained.

1) Crack or hole in housing
2) Axle Seal
3) Fill Plug (or similar)

Pass side - sure it's trans & not power steering?

 

[dantheman68]

yeah, power steering uses ATF too... i thought my rack was leaking, turns out my tranny blew the diff pin....

id check the axel seals, i dont know where it could be leaking from the passenger's side, id bet its the power steering thats leaking, maybe the pump or even the resivoir, how bad was the accident?

 

[Bizzy]

A halfshaft that's not in place will cause you to lose a good bit of fluid also.

 

[1993MTXSHO]

1) the fluid was amber in color not red so I know its trans fluid and I literally changed all my fluids right before the accident so nothign looks even similar in color. Unless its oil but im pretty sure that is the trans fluid it didnt seem as thick as oil.
2) my axels seals are brand new but from an accident would that blow them out?
3) what is a half shaft?

 

[Bizzy]

1) the fluid was amber in color not red so I know its trans fluid and I literally changed all my fluids right before the accident so nothign looks even similar in color. Unless its oil but im pretty sure that is the trans fluid it didnt seem as thick as oil.
2) my axels seals are brand new but from an accident would that blow them out?
3) what is a half shaft?

1) That makes it easier to tell.

2) Yes, if enough pressure was applied. They're really not very durable seals at all from my experience.

3) The halfshaft is the "axle" that goes directly into the transmission on either side and makes contact with the differential which turns the wheels. I didn't read about your accident so I don't know the particulars of what happened, but a sideways force could have disloged one, even partially, from the trans which would allow for leaking.

The driver's side is one piece that goes from the wheel hub into the trans. The passenger side incorporates 2 pieces. The intermediate shaft goes directly into the trans and then the halfshaft that goes from the passenger side of the intermediate shaft out to the wheel hub.

In order to really tell where it's coming from you're really going to have to get a light up under there so you can look. Speculation is nice but never very accurate unfortunately.

 

[1993MTXSHO]

very true, ok ill get up under there after I get my new brake line. I had to order a whole new kit to replace the one line, im supposed to get it tomorrow or Friday. So when that gets done will get her back down on the ground and check out the tranny, thanks for the help. Ill post when I find a leak or spot I think it’s coming from.

here is the thread about the accident dunno if this will help any:
http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=62100

 

[Bizzy]

I'd check the passenger side intermediate shaft first after having seen the pictures of the accident. If you get lucky that'll be what it is.

 

[1993MTXSHO]

ok how do i know if its bad i mean becides the fluid leaking. Will I see a crack? Does anyone have any pictures of what im looking at becasue iv never looked at this before iv pulled an engine on one of these cars but never did any axel or tranny work.

 

[Bizzy]

If you've pulled a motor then you've taken the halfshafts out. Unless of course you dropped the motor out the bottom.

Hole wise, if you see any hole in the trans aside from the holes where the axle seals are then you've got a problem. Most of the time when the diff blows the hole will be close to where the differential is, which again, the halfshafts slide into the case where the axle seals are and into the diff. So that general area. Holes can also appear on the inside of the bell housing too, though you wouldn't be able to see those unless you pulled the trans.

Here are a couple example pics of classic diff "blow holes". Typically they're big enough to notice but not always. I don't know if you ran up over anything else. If you did it could have put a crack in the case, hairline or otherwise, which would allow the fluid to leak out.

 

[revhardSHO]

You need to get under there and look around, it should not be to hard to find a leak, especially since you have new fluid in there. It looks like your pass side axle / half shaft may be to blame. If the accident wrenched your wheel and wacked your subframe a bit it might have pulled the axle out of the MTX past the seal. There is no locking ring on that side, so it would just pull right out if the support bearing and or subframe was disturbed.

 

[1993MTXSHO]

ok im going to take a loot but I dont think my diff is blown because if im not mistaken if it was I wouldnt be able to drive the car correct? My car did limp up the driveway with it locked rear tire so it still drove itself making me think the diff is ok. Would the car drive still with a busted halfshaft?

 

[revhardSHO]

The halfshaft would not be broken, just pulled out of the diff enough to loose its seal. And yes you would be surprised how long a blown diff could last. I recall driving my 92 back from PA to NY with a blown diff (I had no idea, I bought it that way).

 

[AREA 91]

Amber colored fluid could be power steering fluid, as opposed to tranny fluid used for the poser steering.

 

[1993MTXSHO]

Amber colored fluid could be power steering fluid, as opposed to tranny fluid used for the poser steering.

O O O O! does the power steering have trans fluid in it? Because I saw what i though was maybe busted. It was the part connected to the front knuckle on the passenger side that turns the front wheels. The boot was all twisted up and it looked like there was fluid all over over there and thats exactly where it was leakign from. If you guys dont know what im talking about i can take a picture. Could this be what is broken and leaking trans fluid?

 

[Shoaz]

Sounds like you mashed the steering rack and yes, that could be where the fluid is coming from.

You may need a new steering rack, and from your description I'd be very careful to check that the subframe isn't bent and the condition of all the suspension components and drive components on that side.

 

[1993MTXSHO]

Sounds like you mashed the steering rack and yes, that could be where the fluid is coming from.

You may need a new steering rack, and from your description I'd be very careful to check that the subframe isn't bent and the condition of all the suspension components and drive components on that side.

o no not a bend subframe.... the car didnt hit that hard but i guess it doesn take much. Heres a pic of what it looks lie kits the best i could take. All you can really see is the twisted boot. I guess i have to take the boot off to see whats really wrong.

 

[Shoaz]

Yes, those are very crappy pics. I can't tell from the pics because they're not very good, but those look more like the halfshafts and intermediate shaft than they do the steering rack. If that's the case it's more likely a tranny problem than a steering rack problem.

 

[Bizzy]

The top one looks like the passenger side halfshaft that goes into the intermediate shaft. The bottom one looks like the rack. Really hard to tell from the pics.

 

[1993MTXSHO]

ok Ill try to get oem better pics tomorrow the twisted boot is where it was leaking from the other pic i kinda stuck the camera under the car and snaped a bunch and i posted what I thought was the thing, so that could be the halfshaft oops. The boot is definitly part of the steering though and that looks to be where the leaking is from.