Next step-Methanol

[JasonoftheRugar]

This is the only thing left for me to do for performance, other than turbos or having Livernois build me a monster ecoboost engine. My car has 7500 miles on it, so I'm not ready for that yet. It's not a daily driver, but I drive the **** outa this when I do. Iv'e searched for information and have read some very great write ups. Bpd1151's write up on ecoboost forum was excellent. I would like to know what other meth kits you guys are using other than Alky from Livernois and why. Theirs is much more expensive, but looks easier to install. Also I seen that it is not recommended to use a 50/50 mix. It must be straight meth? Any input would be appreciated as this mod kinda scares me.

 

[krewat]

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[yo tony]

I'm using the basic snow water meth kit. Paid 350 bucks for it and other than a couple bone head mistakes install was fairly easy. Runs like a ***** ape and have plenty left on the tuning side. I use unleashed for my tuning. I know livernoise is a little pickier with how they sell and tune their products but I couldn't be happier. Using a 50/50 mix.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Here is the one question that I ask everyone that brings up wanting to use a 50/50 h20 to meth mix:

You have an engine made of metal...you add electricity, fire, air, fuel and oil to it...what is the ONE element that you do not want to add to that situation?

Stop and think about the answer...

The reason that there are so many that use the 50/50 kits is because they are relatively far less expensive. Well, you get what you pay for, because those components are not made to flow water either. We have been doing this longer than anyone. We have tried every single setup imaginable. Our 100% meth kit has its own test, purge, warning lighting system and even a failsafe override.

 

[SilverSH0]

Here is the one question that I ask everyone that brings up wanting to use a 50/50 h20 to meth mix:

You have an engine made of metal...you add electricity, fire, air, fuel and oil to it...what is the ONE element that you do not want to add to that situation?

Stop and think about the answer...

The reason that there are so many that use the 50/50 kits is because they are relatively far less expensive. Well, you get what you pay for, because those components are not made to flow water either. We have been doing this longer than anyone. We have tried every single setup imaginable. Our 100% meth kit has its own test, purge, warning lighting system and even a failsafe override.

Lets also stop and think about the fact that a byproduct of combustion is H2O so it's very common to be in the engine. We can also think about the fact that methanol is corrosive to aluminum and will strip off aluminum oxide (which normally protects aluminum). In the process of stripping off this aluminum oxide it will produce water. We can further think about the fact that methanol will mix with the fuel and increase it's conductivity and promote galvanic corrosion. Methanol is not all that gentle of a product on our engines. Just some things to think about.

 

[krewat]

Actually, water is produced by the catalytic converters converting hydrocarbons, it's not actually present in the cylinders at any point, except when purposely introduced

 

[SilverSH0]

Actually, water is produced by the catalytic converters converting hydrocarbons, it's not actually present in the cylinders at any point, except when purposely introduced

I assure you it is present in the cylinders. To state otherwise would be saying water is NOT a byproduct of burning hydrocarbons (which are C_H_ where the _ depend on the hydrocarbon). If you have full combustion it will only produce CO2 and H2O (plus come other oxides for contaminates in the air). But there will always be water as an output. If you want to go with the idea H2O is not an output of combustion, what happens to the Hydrogen atoms? The Hydrogen is going to bond to something so what is the Hydrogen output?

 

[krewat]

I stand corrected. A small amount of H2O is produced (I looked it up)

 

[SilverSH0]

I stand corrected. A small amount of H2O is produced (I looked it up)

My overall point is that a little bit of water isn't going to destroy your engine. The same way a little bit of methanol isn't going to destroy your motor. The difference is I believe the intakes on these is aluminum (might be wrong) so the methanol is going to be stripping the aluminum oxide off that where it will create more and then get stripped off again (each time eating off a little bit of aluminum). For a long time we've used water to clean the carbon out of tractor motors and it works well.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Having water produced is completely different VS injected directly into the intake manifold. The physics is completely different. We are talking about a natural by-product VS a newly introduced substance.

 

[SilverSH0]

Having water produced is completely different VS injected directly into the intake manifold. The physics is completely different. We are talking about a natural by-product VS a newly introduced substance.

So adding a new substance, water, to the aluminum intake manifold is bad. But adding a new substance, methanol (which is corrosive to aluminum and strips off the aluminum oxide that protects it), is perfectly fine and better?

Point is that it's a hard sell to say adding 50/50 mix is going too be worse on your engine than 100 methanol. But if that's the claim, show some proof. Of that's not the claim then my statements don't matter because that's what i assumed was implied earlier.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Our kit is actually injected into the intake tubing. That is where a plate system like a WMI kit differs. That is directly injected into the intake. We have spent years testing these kits. Our track record shows that.

 

[JasonoftheRugar]

I am having trouble finding straight methanol in my area anyways. I found VpM1 online for $48 per 5 gallon pial, but the shipping is $68!

 

[Sgtmeatsauce1]

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