Need some help, engine not running...

[Mikeys_Taurus]

Hi all, I finally picked up the SHO. Heres the deal... The battery is dead and it only will run for about 15sec when I start it. So I can't pull the codes. The engine makes a noise like if you let one rip under water. It sounds like it's sucking when it's supposed to be blowing. Basically it is running HORRIBLE! Can anyone think of anything that this could be? The engine came out of another SHO, and the guy said that when he re-installed it in the new car he replaced the timing chain and did the valve job. Any ideas? It's a 91 5 speed MTX. Thanks.

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Mike's 95 GL 3.0L V6
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Mods:
Cold Air Induction, Ram Air, Dual Exhaust, Advanced Timing, SHO Rims with T Rated Firestone tires; Intake Spacer, K&N Panel Filter; 24 & 26mm swaybars; Backlit Taurus Logo; Auto dimming mirror; SHO Leather Interior; SHO 140mph Instrument Cluster.
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Soon To Come:
Struts & Springs; Upper & Lower Intake Porting & Polishing; Head Porting; Performance Cam, 24lb Fuel Injectors, 1/2 fuel lines, 2500RPM Torque Converter; Hayden 24K Trans Cooler; Trans Go Shift Kit; Diablo Sport Chip.

 

[Jeremy Hohn]

It sounds like your timing is way off. My sho made that sound when the cam sensor went. What happens is that the wrong cylinders try to fire at the wrong times. Don't let the engine run like that, cuz you could do some MAJOR damage. Check your timing BELT to see if the marks line up with the dots on the cam sprockets. You can do this by removing your cam covers on the passenger side of the engine and taking a look. Also you can remove your passenger side splash guard to see if your crankshaft sprocket is lined up as well. Good luck.

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Jeremy

1993 atx 122k miles
-PIAA headlamp bulbs (thanks Fratperformance)
-fish tanks installed
-fog lamp mod w/ blazer fog lamps
-6" 5% tint border on windshield
-black body filled lettering
-wclewis "powered by yamaha" badges
-Sho Shop Cold Air Induction Kit
-Lund blackouts front and back
-cincysho colgan half bra with "SHO" lettering
-KVR chrome cadmium plated rotors with carbon fiber pads
-Sho Shop cat back system with magnaflow chrome tips
-Performance Plus y-pipe
-TX personalized plates "SHO FUN"
-Shoshop underdrive pulleys
-Shoshop 80mm MAF
-60k completed by Sdpatt
-Redline atx tranny fluid and water wetter

 

[Mikeys_Taurus]

Man that is what I figured. I picked this car up for $350.00 because it wasn't running... So hopefully I can get it in the shop later this week and get the timing fixed. Kick ass! Thanks for the help.

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Mike's 95 GL 3.0L V6
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Mods:
Cold Air Induction, Ram Air, Dual Exhaust, Advanced Timing, SHO Rims with T Rated Firestone tires; Intake Spacer, K&N Panel Filter; 24 & 26mm swaybars; Backlit Taurus Logo; Auto dimming mirror; SHO Leather Interior; SHO 140mph Instrument Cluster.
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Soon To Come:
Struts & Springs; Upper & Lower Intake Porting & Polishing; Head Porting; Performance Cam, 24lb Fuel Injectors, 1/2 fuel lines, 2500RPM Torque Converter; Hayden 24K Trans Cooler; Trans Go Shift Kit; Diablo Sport Chip.

 

[RStalveyARFF]

Just a warning to you, there are 2-3 different marks on the crankshaft pulley. The are not the small holes you see on the side of the pulley, they are little notches, and should in car terms be 60 degrees apart: going clockwise around the damper, 60 after, TDC, 60 before. You want to align in to TDC according to the small timing tab on the lower timing cover. Align the correct mark to the 0 on the timing tab, then pull the damper and the lower timing cover and match all the marks up. You will see small dots on both cam sprockets. Line these up with the lines that are above them, and then place the timing belt with the two lines on the belt onto each of the two dots, lined up with the lines on the engine. Hopefully I didn't lose you. Good luck!

 

[sdpatt]

The only chains on the SHO engine are for connecting the timing belt driven intake cam to the exhaust cam on each bank. They are rarely, if ever, replaced. He must have meant the timing BELT.

To align the belt during installation, there is another indent on the crankshaft cog. With the two indents on the camshaft sprockets set at 12 o'clock and in line with the raised marks in the metal rear belt cover, the indent on the crankshaft cog will be at about 5 o'clock. Orient the belt such that you can read the part number from the driver side fender. With the two white marks on the belt matched up with the indents on the two camshaft sprockets, match the third white mark on the timing belt with the indent on the crankshaft cog. Only when all three white marks on the belt are matched with the indents on the three cogs will the timing be set correctly.


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Scott

1991, 252K miles, glass hood, police grill, SVO shifter, Catz fogs,
K&N, 73mm MAF, Superchip, PP Y-pipe, Borla cat-back, 190 lph pump
Eibach/Tokico/polyurethane, SHO Shop front & rear strut braces,
16x7.5" Moda R1, 225/55ZR16 Bridgestone RE730, -1 deg camber x 4,
Class II hitch, Silver award at the SHOklahoma Car Show

[This message has been edited by sdpatt (edited 11-06-2001).]

 

[Mikeys_Taurus]

I'm sorry... I did mean belt, not chain. My 95' Vulcan has a chain.

MMMMMMMmmmmmm Vulcan. Anyhow... the dweeb who owned this car before me mixed up all of the plug wires when he put the car back together. It runs fine! I picked this beast up for $350! Yippeee!

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Mike's 95 GL 3.0L V6
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Mods:
Cold Air Induction, Ram Air, Dual Exhaust, Advanced Timing, SHO Rims with T Rated Firestone tires; Intake Spacer, K&N Panel Filter; 24 & 26mm swaybars; Backlit Taurus Logo; Auto dimming mirror; SHO Leather Interior; SHO 140mph Instrument Cluster.
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Soon To Come:
Struts & Springs; Upper & Lower Intake Porting & Polishing; Head Porting; Performance Cam, 24lb Fuel Injectors, 1/2 fuel lines, 2500RPM Torque Converter; Hayden 24K Trans Cooler; Trans Go Shift Kit; Diablo Sport Chip.

 

[noSHO]

Originally posted by Mikeys_Taurus:
I'm sorry... I did mean belt, not chain. My 95' Vulcan has a chain.

MMMMMMMmmmmmm Vulcan. Anyhow... the dweeb who owned this car before me mixed up all of the plug wires when he put the car back together. It runs fine! I picked this beast up for $350! Yippeee!

And to think I was gonna purchase that car....Sometimes I wish I would listen to myself a little more often. I remember seeing it on ebay and thinking how I wanted it. You got a **** of a deal Mike! Good work! If you can stand to sell it I might consider helping you make a healthy profit. (think: more mods to the GL!)

. I'm really only half serious, but if you aren't attached to the car, throw me an email.



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-Dave
Green 92 77k coneless, fishtanks, K&N panel filter, SHOnut reinforced motor mounts, SFCs, Perf. Plus Y-pipe, Summitracing Turbo Mufflers

 

[Mikeys_Taurus]

Oh she's mine baby! and I'm picking up my 93' MTX that needs a clutch next week... 3 Taurii! Anyhow... I had the 91' towed to my shop today just to have them overlooke everything and do a bunch of small stuff. She should be out by the weekend, and then the Vulcan gets stroked!!

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Mike's 95 GL 3.0L V6
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Mods:
Cold Air Induction, Ram Air, Dual Exhaust, Advanced Timing, SHO Rims with T Rated Firestone tires; Intake Spacer, K&N Panel Filter; 24 & 26mm swaybars; Backlit Taurus Logo; Auto dimming mirror; SHO Leather Interior; SHO 140mph Instrument Cluster.
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Soon To Come:
Struts & Springs; Upper & Lower Intake Porting & Polishing; Head Porting; Performance Cam, 24lb Fuel Injectors, 1/2 fuel lines, 2500RPM Torque Converter; Hayden 24K Trans Cooler; Trans Go Shift Kit; Diablo Sport Chip.

 

[Huntervf]

Originally posted by noSHO:
And to think I was gonna purchase that car....

Me too!!! I saw that on ebay a while back and was just about ready to bid on it for a winter SHO, but I really didn't feel like messing with the timing belt (which I figured was the problem.) DAMN, if I'd known it was just wires I would have been ALL OVER that car!!!


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Chris Smith
SVT/SHO Society
Taurus SHO Representative
http://svt.sho.tripod.com
89 SHO MTX Light Titanium 122k, Mi. License 1ST SHO, Konig Reign 16 x 7.5 rims, Kuhmo 225/50VR 16's, fender airbox removed, 91+ badges, CincySHO police grill, Covercraft hood protector, silver underhood trim, Pilot driving lamps, Sony Xplod deck, Performance Plus reinforced front mount, Performance Plus y-pipe, Dynomax Magnum bullet race mufflers w/3.5 stainless tips, Eibach springs, KYB struts, MOOG control arms, Royal Purple synthetic lubricants, custom "long throw" shifter, fresh paint, Jolly Roger insignias, trophy winning and NOW in storage for the winter!
95 SHO MTX Silver Frost 92k SOLD 4.14.01 but not forgotton!
96 Contour SE ATX V6 Midnight Red(wife's car) 91k, custom grill & badging, otherwise stock & under warranty
93 Dodge Spirit 2.5 I4 ATX flat white 4 banger winter beater, 116k & struggling upwards