Need MTX experts help

[SHO--ripper]

I did a clutch job(disc,TOB, and PP) and everything is OK with the clutch. Is there anything that could fall in the tranny when it was removed/reinstalled, that could make the car act like it's always in neutral? The car doesn't move,it won't stall when the clutch cable is removed from the fork, and it doesn't grind in any gear when shifting without the clutch. All help is greatly appreciated.

 

[revhardSHO]

I assume you have the shifter connected up to the trans?

Are you sure the clutch install is good?

 

[MOSHO92]

Check to make sure that the shift linkage is connected and tightened properly.

 

[SHO--ripper]

I know the shift linkage is tight, but is it possible to install the rod linkage incorrectly? I can feel it going into gear, and the reverse lights go on when in reverse, but is it possible that it's not going into gear all the way? shrug

 

[Bizzy]

The only place of entry would be in the axle area or vent which is covered. It is unlikely that the tranny itself is your issue.

Check the shifter inside and out and all your connections. If nothing is out of order there then you may have to drop the trans again to check the TOB, etc.

 

[sdpatt]

Does the spring pressure on the clutch pedal return it to the full out position in a normal manner? If the pedal is not returning as it should, there is a chance that the TOB is hung on the quill tube and not allowing the pressure plate to release. When you moved the shift shaft lever by hand, how much of an arc could you move it through?

To be sure that you are selecting gears, you could always move the shift shaft stub with your hand. If you can see and hear the shifts taking place and there is no gear grinding with the clutch pedal up, your clutch is not allowing the pressure plate to couple the friction disk to the flywheel or pressure plate.

Did you install the friction disk with the "THIS SIDE FACING ENGINE" (or similar) printing toward the flywheel? Did you fully torque the pressure plate mounting bolts? Did the TOB slide smoothly on the quill tube?

 

[SHO--ripper]

The clutch was installed with the disc part saying face engine, towards the engine. The pp was tq'd correctly, and the pedal releases fully. I checked the TOB about 10 times to make sure it was moving perfectly. I can move the fork so the TOB isn't touching the PP( i can hear it when it does touch), and it has the normal range of movement when the cable is connected. I'm going to shift the car at the trans to make sure the rod shifter is doing it's job. What could be wrong with the shifter?THANKS for all the imput guys! I've had this problem with this car before, with other clutches, if that helps any. Also, i've sucessfully installed clutches on SHO's before.

 

[SHO--ripper]

I started the car with the clutch cable removed, and shifted the car right at the transmission. It didn't grind, and the car didn't stall. It just stayed in neutral. If the clutch disc was intalled properly and aligned, the PP was tq'd right, and the TOB was moving freely why won't it move? I can't think of a single reason headbang
I don't know how many more clutches i'm going to have to install to make this thing work frown

 

[91taurisho]

The clutch should have a warranty on it... What type of clutch are you using? Do you have a rod shifter or a cable(I know you said rod shifter but I'm just making sure)? With the car off and moving the shift linkage with your hand(from under the car) does it click into gear? CAn you confirm that your TOB is still attached to the actuator fork? It might have gotten stuck and broke the little clip... Have you adjusted your clutch? Sorry for so many questions. Just trying to help...

Scott

 

[RCM]

Did you happen to drain the trans by removing the fork interlock sleeve bolt/pin, and then bump the shifter with it out?

SHO--ripper:
I started the car with the clutch cable removed, and shifted the car right at the transmission. It didn't grind, and the car didn't stall. It just stayed in neutral.

 

[RStalveyARFF]

mrmann7:
Did you happen to drain the trans by removing the fork interlock sleeve bolt/pin, and then bump the shifter with it out?

SHO--ripper:
I started the car with the clutch cable removed, and shifted the car right at the transmission. It didn't grind, and the car didn't stall. It just stayed in neutral.

That's why I always remove the shifter first, then drain the fluid...

 

[SHO--ripper]

I didn't remove any of the bolts that hold the case together, or the gears for that matter. I drained the fluid by removing the axles, and then the rest came out upon removal. The TOB pin is new. I'm going to replace the tranny, but the only thing that i don't understand is why the trans/diff would go bad when the car wasn't driven. When i parked the car(it had a bad clutch) it still at least moved. I don't see why it won't move at all now headbang

 

[Off Road SHO]

What did you do to or with the axles? Anything?

It almost sounds like the clutch is depressed all the time, like on the first press something got hung up and now won't let the pressure plate do its' job of pressing the disc against the flywheel. Hmmmm

Tom

 

[masho95]

Like I told Chris before... the only way the car is running and acting like it's in neutral is because of two reasons. The clutch or the differential. Being the clutch would mean that the clutch disk isn't being allowed to clamp the flywheel thus resulting in no drivetrain movement. Could be a hung up TOB (Chris checked this during the second clutch installation), strectched clutch cable (clutch cable was pulled off the release arm without releasing the self adjust mechanism). But if the clutch is working properly then is could be a differential problem. With the clutch clamping the flywheel the input shaft turns, and the pinion gear turns the ring gear on the differential. So from there some how the spinning diff isn't transferring power to the axles.

I'm still leaning towards a clutch cable problem since the cable was removed without releasing the self adjust mech.

 

[SHO--ripper]

I would agree with you eric on the clutch cable, if the car stalled when i had it removed. It didn't though. The TOB isn't hanging up because it was moving perfectly when i reinstalled the tranny. The TOB is pushing the pp fingers in b/c when the cable is removed i can push the TOB up against the pp(i hear it hit). The place where the TOB is just barely touching the pp is where the arm sits when the clutch cable is attached. The car has normal pedal feel and movement. Just to lyk i've tried different axles/halfshafts just to rule them out, and it shifted fine at the tranny. I think this may be an imput shaft/diff problem. I tried doing a search on a similar symptom, and didn't get anything. Just my luck to get a unique problem like this.
I figure if i replace every possible part in the driveline, it will solve the problem I'm just going to put another trans in, unless i'm enlightened by a fellow SHO guru.