just want to say hi!

[SHOerwin]

Good evening! Just joined today. I have spent a few hours perusing the forum this weekend, and learned quite a bit. This is far more enjoyable than all the cam-chatter at v8sho. A very interesting group of people! I'm off to bed now, g'night.

 

[Funmart6]

Welcome! I am new here also. cheers

 

[ohioshodude]

SHOerwin:
Good evening! Just joined today. I have spent a few hours perusing the forum this weekend, and learned quite a bit. This is far more enjoyable than all the cam-chatter at v8sho. A very interesting group of people! I'm off to bed now, g'night.

haha hi! yeah v8sho.com is a v8sho bashing club. cams are a problem on v8 sho, get them fixed, get over it. other then that they are fanstatic cars! welcome to the group!!

 

[RStalveyARFF]

the cams! the cams! bah, what am I saying, lol. Welcome aboard!

 

[f150fan]

Great to see some more Gen III members!

cheers

<small>[ April 16, 2003, 12:53 AM: Message edited by: f150fan ]</small>

 

[98shotoy]

I have a Gen III too.....there are very few on this forum though I do have to say.

 

[98shotoy]

Ok now that I am NOT at work I can respond to a couple comments here.....

First off...SHOerwin...I respect the fact that you are new to this forum and we do welcome ANY new member with an open mind but you need to watch what you say and learn more BEFORE you make comments like that. The Cam issue is a sensitive subject...especially to those who have had cam failures an had to pay in excess of 10,000 to get their Sho back on the road....out of their own pocket also. v8sho.com is an information website dedicated, as you can tell, to all Gen III owners who have had failures or just want to find out information on the Gen III Sho. It is NOT, NOR will it ever be a "cam chatter" website....regardless of what one may think!!!! Tim (AKA Bufford) has done a **** of a job with that website an its people like them that NEVER get the credit they deserve for the work they do.
I dont know what Gen of Sho you own but if it is a Gen III then you may want to think twice about making any kind of comment like that again. You could be the next we add to the failure list. Do you have that kind of money to throw down to fix your car?????? Again I respect the fact you are new but you need to READ the message instead of looking at he message. So again I say Welcome and I do appologize if you take this the wrong way.


OHIOSHODUDE......now you being a member for a while now should know more then anyone about the cam failures. That comment you made was even worse. I mean that was just plain wrong!!!!! "get them fixed and get over it" I dont know what your finacial situation is but mine is not to wher I can just throw down 500-600 t get my cams fixed at any given time. I do have one question...Why should I have to pay 500-600 to fix my cams even though I am still under warrantee, to fix a problem that Ford should fix or help with cost? Would you want to do that to a car that you just bought? Now i a person doesnt like it then yes maybe they should think about selling their Sho or trading it in. But for others we do NOT like to be reffered to as a "v8sho bashing club".I think I can speak for alot of other v8sho owners as well. I am a VERY open minded and good person to talk to openly...ask anyone that knows me or has met me. When there are comments like these then I tend to get a little upset. I have met alot of nice people but I have also met a few that were missing a few marbles up top.

 

[Mike Kopstain]

ohioshodude:

SHOerwin:
Good evening! Just joined today. I have spent a few hours perusing the forum this weekend, and learned quite a bit. This is far more enjoyable than all the cam-chatter at v8sho. A very interesting group of people! I'm off to bed now, g'night.

haha hi! yeah v8sho.com is a v8sho bashing club. cams are a problem on v8 sho, get them fixed, get over it. other then that they are fanstatic cars! welcome to the group!!

Have you actually sat down and gone through that site? There is plenty of technical information to be had. Unfortunetly, the cams stick out as the main point of the site, but that's because you are dealing with a lot of people that have learned with their wallets that this car has a serious defect. They are trying to prevent it from happening to other people.

~ Mike -trying to figure out when informing became bashing- Kopstain

<small>[ April 16, 2003, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: Mikeys_Taurus ]</small>

 

[98shotoy]

I agree with you Mike!!! Its things like this that make me want to say goodbye to the forum and say forget it and buy a Chevy. Its not just this...there has been MANY others!!!!!! As a matter of fact you replied to a post I made about people complaining and I had mentioned that this doesnt go on at TCCA.

 

[f150fan]

I just want to add one more comment to my post above. V8sho.com has way more info that can be found here in the shoforum.com GenIII section. Also, the members of the v8sho email list are a great group of people who are very helpful for information and it's not all about cams as you may think!

<small>[ April 16, 2003, 01:48 PM: Message edited by: f150fan ]</small>

 

[Bob Gervais]

matt06:
I had mentioned that this doesnt go on at TCCA.

That's because childish threads like this are squished before they get this far. Bashing of other sites, Taurus related or not, is not permitted. We are basically all driving the same car, and we could learn a lot from each other. Obviously the TCCA is my home, but I also subscribe to the V8 SHO list, and read on here a lot. They are all good resources for information, and I enjoy every one, with the exception of the childish posts here every now and then.

That said, congrats on the V8 SHO, and welcome to the forums! BTW, get the cams welded! wink

<small>[ April 16, 2003, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: Bob Gervais ]</small>

 

[SHOerwin]

matt06:
Ok now that I am NOT at work I can respond to a couple comments here.....

First off...SHOerwin...I respect the fact that you are new to this forum and we do welcome ANY new member with an open mind but you need to watch what you say and learn more BEFORE you make comments like that. The Cam issue is a sensitive subject...especially to those who have had cam failures an had to pay in excess of 10,000 to get their Sho back on the road....out of their own pocket also. v8sho.com is an information website dedicated, as you can tell, to all Gen III owners who have had failures or just want to find out information on the Gen III Sho. It is NOT, NOR will it ever be a "cam chatter" website....regardless of what one may think!!!! Tim (AKA Bufford) has done a **** of a job with that website an its people like them that NEVER get the credit they deserve for the work they do.
I dont know what Gen of Sho you own but if it is a Gen III then you may want to think twice about making any kind of comment like that again. You could be the next we add to the failure list. Do you have that kind of money to throw down to fix your car?????? Again I respect the fact you are new but you need to READ the message instead of looking at he message. So again I say Welcome and I do appologize if you take this the wrong way.


OHIOSHODUDE......now you being a member for a while now should know more then anyone about the cam failures. That comment you made was even worse. I mean that was just plain wrong!!!!! "get them fixed and get over it" I dont know what your finacial situation is but mine is not to wher I can just throw down 500-600 t get my cams fixed at any given time. I do have one question...Why should I have to pay 500-600 to fix my cams even though I am still under warrantee, to fix a problem that Ford should fix or help with cost? Would you want to do that to a car that you just bought? Now i a person doesnt like it then yes maybe they should think about selling their Sho or trading it in. But for others we do NOT like to be reffered to as a "v8sho bashing club".I think I can speak for alot of other v8sho owners as well. I am a VERY open minded and good person to talk to openly...ask anyone that knows me or has met me. When there are comments like these then I tend to get a little upset. I have met alot of nice people but I have also met a few that were missing a few marbles up top.

 

[SHOerwin]

Wow! I guess I stepped on some toes with that one! I in no way meant to insult or defame v8sho. I am VERY concerned about the cam issue. I love this car-my wife loves this car. Not a week has gone by since we bought this car that I haven't visited v8sho 4 or 5 times. In fact, that site was instrumental in my decision to seek and purchase our GenIII. Sept. 2000 seems so long ago! What I meant was, I have enjoyed reading about mufflers, intake mods, tires, etc. etc. Nothing will take away my gratitude towards Tim, Doug, Kirk, and all the others, for all of their hard work. An informed consumer is a wise consumer. I wish Ford would own up to their resposibility to us. I wish my heart could relax when I drive, but that won't happen until I make the trip to FPS. I also wish no one would have taken my post in the wrong way. I hope you can forgive me.

 

[ohioshodude]

sorry for coming off like an ass but guys you have nothing that really needs fixed on the v8. the engine is almost perfect. so you have to spend 500-600 dollars once on a cam fix. so be it, v6 sho's have bad motor mounts, timing belts, cps, dis, cam sensor, bad oil seals, 60k's, ect....

i just don't see it has a huge problem. yes it's good to get then info out there, but the whole main page of v8sho.com is "RUN FOR YOU LIFE, THE CAMS ARE GONA BLOW!" not welcome to the club. i love the v8, and plan a project with one very soon. i just think the cam issue is a little overboard. myabe not. shrug thats just how i feel.

 

[DavidT]

my turn
The Carmax salesmen looked over the articles I printed off of v8sho.com (He had never heard of the infamous "cam failure") After reading the articles thumbup , he got out his calculator. According to what he read, the percentage of cam failures was something like 3 percent... shrug
What can you honestly say in opposition to that?
With these kind of stats, why would this even be CONSIDERED for some kind of lawsuit against Ford? As much hype as there is about the dreaded cam failure, I would expect the number of tragedies to be much higher shrug

BTW, welcome to the forum, shoerwin thumb Untold amounts of priceless advice are to be found here at shoforum.com! (whether you use the search feature or not

<small>[ April 16, 2003, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: dkautumna ]</small>

 

[Funmart6]

WOW!!!!! I think that V8sho.com is a great site with all kinds of useful info, I mean if you want to do something to your GenIII chances are someone else has already done it and you will find out about "it" at V8sho.com and at Shotimes as well. Shoforum has also been helpful to me and I greatly appreciate having several means to finding information about anything to do with this car. This is a great car, and we as GenIII owners are family so to speak, we are a unique mix of people who happen to own a very unique and wonderful car! So all should go have a beer or 2 or 3 or 10 and then go out to your garage or driveway and stare at your car for a while, you'll Love it!!!! Works for me!!! Just don't drink and drive! cheers

 

[98shotoy]

Shoerwin......again I am sorry if that meeage came off wrong. I know being a new member how things can get confusing...especially with things you say. I admit I did take offense to your message and Ohioshoduds's message. I have NO problem with people speking their minds!!!! Its just how things come out thast all. So again I say welcome to our giant family and here is a cheers on me..... or cheers cheers

 

[stephen newberg]

Last time I looked over at V8SHO.com the documented cam sprocket failure number was around 250. That is out of about 20,000 Gen III SHOs built. My calculator says that is a bit over 1%, rather than up to the 3% mentioned above. I would also suspect that this very low number is the reason why Ford has been reluctant to dive into fixing the problem. I think this is a PR error on their part, but considering that the newest Gen III was made about 4 years ago at this point, and the oldest ones, which also appear from the data to be the ones most likely to be having trouble with the cams, are now getting into the 8 years old range, it is not surprising.

All that aside, and considering that there could easily be a fair number of failures in this mode that are not documented, it remains a sensible preventive maintenance operation to get your cams welded at some point prior to the 75,000 mile mark. We are, after all, talking about a very expensive car, and only a $500 repair. This is less than what it would cost you to fix the air conditioner or toss on a new set of really decent tires.

Meantime, lets everyone be cool with everyone else, and please cut the new members a bit of slack. We were all newbies once, wink

pax, smn

 

[JoeHoe_SHO]

Welcome! I don't have a Gen III SHO but they are neat whips! If we can't tell you what is wrong, you need a new car! (Coming from someone who has been here a month)

But hey, I bet I have more posts than anyone in the history of SHO forum for a month

Just means that I'm a loud mouthed post whore

 

[ArkanSHO]

stephen newberg:
Last time I looked over at V8SHO.com the documented cam sprocket failure number was around 250. That is out of about 20,000 Gen III SHOs built. My calculator says that is a bit over 1%, rather than up to the 3% mentioned above.
pax, smn

Okay, like everybody who owns a Gen 3 V8 SHO has submitted their failure to the site? I think Tim has only like 700 people registered on the list. I think that puts the failures at more then 30% now on just our small little group of only 3% of the Gen 3 SHO's ever made. By the way I understand he adds any new ones that find their way to the site after the failure to the total numbers registered.
On a side note, I did suffer the camshaft sprocket failure to the tune of $7,824 and really wish I had the information that is on the site now before.
Of course there was a silver lining as it allowed me to do the unthinkable to my new motor. See the link to the video's.
And welcome to the V8 ranks.
Carter Fuji's Supercharged '97 ES