just a heads up...livernois tune will fail emissions in MO

[Yipeekayea]

just discovered today that a basic livernois tune on a 2013 taurus that has a fully functional emissions system will fail. Awesome when its your daily driver. Yep, not happy.

 

[bpd1151]

You should contact them directly.

You're much more likely to get resolution that route, rather than simply posting here, that you're not happy.

I would bargain it's something simple in the tune, maybe like turning the rear 02's back on, or what have you.

Should be no reason if you're truly stock as you say, with the exception of the tune of course, that you wouldn't pass.

Give 'em call.

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[SHOdded]

Probably simply a matter of returning to stock tune for emissions testing, at worst. Not even a small deal. You checked for inspections readiness status prior to testing? Any codes in the PCM?

 

[RAYJAY]

thought the rule was to remove the tune before all service or inspections ??????

 

[SHOdded]

Shouldn't have to if the downpipes are OEM. With hiflow downpipes, I believe LME automatically turns rear O2s off. This may be the case in OP's tune despite his having stock pipes.

 

[93markVIII]

are you in stl? must be in stl.

 

[StealBlueSho]

Shouldn't have to if the downpipes are OEM. With hiflow downpipes, I believe LME automatically turns rear O2s off. This may be the case in OP's tune despite his having stock pipes.

My O2s were left on when I got my tunes from LME. I had specifically told them I had high flow cats and needed them turned off.

 

[Yipeekayea]

You should contact them directly.

You're much more likely to get resolution that route, rather than simply posting here, that you're not happy.

I would bargain it's something simple in the tune, maybe like turning the rear 02's back on, or what have you.

Should be no reason if you're truly stock as you say, with the exception of the tune of course, that you wouldn't pass.

Give 'em call.

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I called livernoise and they basically said I was SOL unless I wanted to swap the stock 2 bar back in and put the stock tune back in. It just blows my mind that an essentially 100% stock newer model car with a tune and cold air intake can't pass emissions. I'm not talking crap on Livernois even though it sounds like I am, I'm just giving people a heads up if they have a tune you will fail in MO. It just seems insane that a basic tune only car can't pass an emissions inspection.

 

[Yipeekayea]

are you in stl? must be in stl.

Yep

 

[StealBlueSho]

I called livernoise and they basically said I was SOL unless I wanted to swap the stock 2 bar back in and put the stock tune back in. It just blows my mind that an essentially 100% stock newer model car with a tune and cold air intake can't pass emissions. I'm not talking crap on Livernois even though it sounds like I am, I'm just giving people a heads up if they have a tune you will fail in MO. It just seems insane that a basic tune only car can't pass an emissions inspection.

Well, at least it's easy to swap out the sensor and load the stock tune on it. Sucks that you need to drive it around for a bit to get the emissions in a ready state.

 

[bpd1151]

I am surprised at their reply.

Never took it as a dig by any means. My suggestion was just that, a suggestion.

I've sent them a PM on this FWIW. I am hopeful they will correct the matter. Good luck and no reason for you to have to endure that.

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[StealBlueSho]

I am surprised at their reply.

Never took it as a dig by any means. My suggestion was just that, a suggestion.

I've sent them a PM on this FWIW. I am hopeful they will correct the matter. Good luck and no reason for you to have to endure that.

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Not sure what is going on at LMS... I originally didn't purchase from them because when I called, I got a lot of attitude when I asked some questions about their tune.... and it has taken at least a week for them to turn around a change in my tune....still haven't gotten my tune revision yet...

So I can understand the OPs frustration...

 

[SilverSH0]

I called livernoise and they basically said I was SOL unless I wanted to swap the stock 2 bar back in and put the stock tune back in. It just blows my mind that an essentially 100% stock newer model car with a tune and cold air intake can't pass emissions. I'm not talking crap on Livernois even though it sounds like I am, I'm just giving people a heads up if they have a tune you will fail in MO. It just seems insane that a basic tune only car can't pass an emissions inspection.

Maybe ask them if they can supply you a stock tune with a 3 bar modification? Then all you have to do is swap tunes, drive to get everything ready, and then go test.

 

[6500rpm]

I'm in the St Louis area and all they check is that the monitored items have run and passed the readiness test. What is the exact nature why it failed the emissions test? Does the tune turn off the post cat O2 sensors? As long as they're up front with what the tune does I'd be good with that so I had ample time to de tune and allow all the readiness tests to run. I'd be a little ****** if I waited until the end of the month and had it fail thinking everything was good to go....

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

I just wanted to jump in here to better understand the specifics of this. While all performance tunes are intended for offroad use, they should not explicitly create a fault in the emissions system on an otherwise stock vehicle. I will be sending a PM to the OP to better understand the specifics as there may be a legitimate fault in the system, so without more information on the specifics this may not be tune related. But, to reiterate, the tuning in and of itself should not create a fault, but we do leave all diagnostic functioning in-tact so that the vehicle can still properly diagnose true faults.

 

[2012korn]

So it's too much trouble to pull one bolt to swap a 2bar back in, and another 3 minutes of your time to flash back to stock? Ah hahaha. OK.

 

[rubydist]

We have had this conversation before - the LMS tune never passes the "readiness test" therefore it is an automatic fail at the emissions test.

 

[SHOinVa]

OK This has been running around in my head since I saw this post so here it is, IMHO Ford spent many years and a great deal of money developing the ecoboost engine, I would imagine they had four things in mind during the development, Performance, Reliability, Gas Mileage, and Emissions. As we know with the whole VW/Audie debacle this is no easy task to complete successfully. Given that on top of all this Ford was trying to build a six cylinder engine that performed as well as, if not better then a eight cylinder, I think they knocked it out of the park. My point is you can not change one thing without effecting something else. The ecoboost from Ford was at the margins already to meet all the requirements, any changes you make are going to to have an effect on the other parts of the equation and to think it won't is a bit unrealistic. If you want your car to go real fast your not going to get 20 mpg, if you change the tune odds are your not going to pass the sniffer test. Is it going to do as much damage as a 73 Cadillac probable not, But it seems it throws off things just enough to raise a red flag. LOL OK its off my chest now, Have a great day everyone.
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[Livernois Motorsports]

We have had this conversation before - the LMS tune never passes the "readiness test" therefore it is an automatic fail at the emissions test.

This is not correct. We have thousands of customers that have our tunes on otherwise stock vehicles, they all complete their readiness tests, if they fail it's because of a legitimate issue that would be present on a stock vehicle. Only those with true race only modifications should never complete the readiness tests, simply because they put on parts that are not road legal.

 

[StealBlueSho]

I can attest to this, LMS originally sent me a tune that attempted to complete readiness, which threw a CEL cause my of aftermarket down pipes with non working cats. They later sent me a tune that corrected the problem but does not achieve readiness which I am OK with as I don't have emissions testing where I live and I only drive my car on race day................

If you tell LMS you are running stock cats, have all your O2s, the LMS tune you will get will attempt to achieve emissions readiness... unless you specifically ask for one that does not...at least that was my experience.