Is it easy to port the intake manifold on your own?

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Looking at the intake manifold, I see that it is fairly accessible, and easy to pull apart piece by piece. Therefore, I'm pretty sure I can get a rotating brush or some different things in there to port it decently. In this case, does anyone think it's a good idea to port and polish it?

Also, if you literally polish the inside of the intake manifold, will the heat from the engine melt the polish?

Otherwise, I'm just going to port the inside and make it so that there's a literal twisting finish on the inside to create velocity by causing the air to spin, basically like a barrel does to a bullet.

Also, I will be putting something in the intake after the airflow meter that causes the air to spin into the intake creating velocity which creates horsepower, torque and better gas mileage. In some cars it has boosted horsepower up to 25 or 30 horsepower. I can't remember what the figures were, but some were incredible just by causing the air to swirl into the intake. Very surprizing...very interesting. And I used to use these types of swirls in the exhaust as well to help the exhaust out of the pipes quicker, which created horsepower as well. Very cool products. I recommend them to anyone whether it's intake or exhaust side. I'd put one on both sides...it really helps. I think they're found at www.tornadofuelsaver.com It's kinda' corny, but check it out.

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Yeah right dude that "tornado" BS is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard right next to a stock Civic Si being able to beat a Z28 Camaro.

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You don`t want the air spinning into the intake.What that does is created turbulence,thus negatively affecting the airflow.
Port and polish doesn`t exactly mean to polish.Porting matches all the mating surfaces,so they blend together.Polishing means to smooth then inner surfaces,so burrs and casting differences don`t interupt smooth air flow.

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i think that given the odd shape and negative bends in the intake plenum, creating rifling will not make any positive affect at all. the only thing you could do is clean the intake, and maybe bore areas out a bit. other wise.... buy a K&N and a larger MAF.
 

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It's not what you know, It's what you understand.

You should get the magnetic fuel line thing to go along with your air restriction device.

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Granted the Tornado is a scam.

However intake ports are rough cast on most engines for the sole purpose of creating turbulence as the air/fuel mixture enters the cylinder. The goal is to promote good mixing.

As everyone else has mentioned though there is no benefit to having turbulent flow before the fuel injectors, which means any part of the intake manifold.

To answer the original question, if you're good with a die grinder (the air powered kind) you can port-match the manifold using the gasket as a template, but it will take a while and I wouldn't reccommend it unless you've done it before.

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The finish on the flow surfaces is usually left in cast finish that looks sandblasted. The purpose of this is to create a turbulent boundary layer of air that reduces the friction of the fast moving air on the walls of the runners. This same effect is used on many other high velocity flow surfaces to reduce skin friction: water ski bottoms, windsurf board bottoms, America's Cup sailboat hulls, etc.

Just clean the runners and save the polishing for the paint on the body. Until you have reduced the greater flow impediments of the exhaust system and then the intake tract, the intake manifold is not much of a limitation to the SHO's power.


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Okay, AGAIN - The Tornado is NOT a scam...I've seen the results before, and besides, it makes perfect sense how it works. I just haven't tried it on a SHO yet. And most likely it won't work well or at all with the SHO because of the turns in the intake manifold.

The Concept is very simple and feasible though. It's actually the same concept that porting is, in a sense. You are modifying the interior of the intake manifold to cause the air rushing in to come in at a greater velocity causing more efficent flow and more power...fuel efficency and torque. That's generally the idea of both porting and the Tornado.

The only difference is this...porting changes the surface so it's either smoother or better contoured, or is bigger, and this in turn causes the air to have more velocity entering the engine, making it easier for the engine to draw in more air more efficiently.

With the tornado, the way they choose to get this velocity gain is by causing the air to spiral into the intake. The spiraling air has more velocity than the normal air flow through the intake. And the more direct the flow is (free of twists and turns in the intake), the more efficent this "tornado" will work for you. It's that simple. And it makes perfect since...and I've seen it work like this before on a Honda Prelude. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

Not even does it work in just the intake...it also works in the exhaust. If you install one of these toward the front of the exhaust system, it will cause the air passing through to spiral out the pipes. Now, if your pipes take a bunch of turns and bends, then it won't have near the effect...but it'll still lightly effect power. The reason is because it causes the exhaust to exit the exhaust pipes quicker because now they have more velocity. Pretty simple concept. And it works. We've tried these things on the exhaust and intake side and both have yielded positive results...BUT...this was on a 4 cylinder prelude engine, and he had a fairly direct intake where the spiral effect would have a very good chance of working well and doing the most good for the car. And his exhaust was fairly straight as well (we had the exhaust custom made to be less curvy)...and overall we saw a decent little power gain out of this car. I was actually impressed that this thing did something for the car. Now I'm making an effort to try this out on every new car I get, or see what it'll do for my friends cars.

I tell you what. Here's what I'll do. The Probe and SHO clubs in Dallas are going to a dyno day mid-march. I'll get one of these before then (if I can), and i'll dyno with and without it in the intake. Then I'll have another SHO do it as well...then I'll have a SHO with a blower do it...and then I'll have some of the Probe members use it as well. (all the intakes should be about the same size, so this should work with all of our cars) I'll see if I can post the dyno results for you guys and then we'll see, k?

Now, this still doesn't mean that it will do something for the SHO. It's very well possible it'll have NO effect on the SHO because the intake is so curvy. BUT, I think the Probe's intake track is much less curvy and much more direct, meaning that this tornado should work better on it. K? Is that fair enough? Then we'll see if this tornado is worth the money or not.

And no, originally I did not pay $65 for a Tornado. I paid like $25 or so for a Spiral Max. Spiral Max sells the same basic product with just a different design, that's all.

NOW - I have one more idea I MAY try. I was THINKING about getting a low restriction spiral to put in each intake runner to see if the spiralling air would have any effect on the engine...and of course, one at the MAF to spiral the air to the intake runners. If I see decent yields from this, I'll let you know...BUT, more than likely I won't get to do this cause it would be expensive. I'm going to email SpiralMax and Tornado and see if they will make what I need to try this out for free and let me try it out, then I'll send them the results...and tell them that I'll sell a ton of these kits to the SHO owners if they'll produce them for me. HEHEHEHE It's fun messing with companies and their money.
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AutoXSHO - That's not true about the turbulence. The only place you need turbulence is right before the injectors. And you're not creating turbolence in the manifold by using the Tornado, you're simply causing the air to spiral into the manifold, and the spiral motion causes it to have more velocity on the way in, making it more efficient, like if you were to port your intake for better airflow. It's a simply law of physics...if something is spinning, it's velocity is higher and it will fall slower (in terms of a bullet). That's just how it is.

Now, as for the porting...unfortunately I don't have a die grinder, but I MIGHT be able to get my hands on one. I have never ported before, so no...don't have previous experience. What I was actually planning on doing was simply smoothing out the inside of the intake and the runners so it's smoother and maybe a little bigger. That way I'd get a little better air flow. And then possibly I thought about another method of making a VERY VERY light spiral groove around the inside of the intake that would cause the air to spiral just slightly...in turn causing the velocity to increase again. BUT, I haven't the slightest idea what I'm gonna' do yet. I think I will experiment with the intake porting though...it sounds like fun and I don't think I'll mess up anything. I will enlarge everything right up to the ports on the heads...that I'll leave, cause I don't wanna' mismatch the port sizes and cause some bad flow. If I do enlarge the ports on the manifold and they don't match the ports on the heads, I'll simply shave the head's ports ever-so-slightly that they match. Shouldn't be too terribly hard I don't think...but I don't wanna' do that if I don't have to.

That's all for now. Later guys.

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Admittedly I'm neither a physicist (that would be my brother) nor an expert in fluid dynamics (anyone?). I do have a bit of experience building motors (hands on with rotaries and as a focused observer on numerous hot-rod V8 projects). What I said about turbulence as well as what Scott said is true, I'm afraid. I found out the hard way after building my first 13B and polishing the intake ports after they were ported. My buddies got a good laugh out of it, though.

I guess you can believe what you want regarding the tornado/spiralmax/air spinner devices. I'm curious about your comment,

"It's a simply law of physics...if something is spinning, it's velocity is higher and it will fall slower (in terms of a bullet). That's just how it is."

Which law of physics would that be exactly?

The reason rifle barrels are, well, rifled, is to cause the bullet to fly straighter. A bullet is an oblong object. To fly straight, much like a football, it has to spin. Its velocity is not increased, per se, as a result of the rifling and air is certainly not an oblong object.

Please post the before and after dyno sheets showing the Spiralmax's effectiveness. I'm sure we're all curious.

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Oh crap, sorry about that. You're right about the bullet. Don't ask me what I was thinking. BAD comparison!!
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What I should have compared it with is a whirlpool. If you cause a whirlpool to spiral it's way down a drain, it will flow through the drain quicker. If you let it simply fall through the drain, it doesn't work as effectively and drains slower. I know it's an odd comparison, bit true. I've seen it demonstrated before.

Now, as for the spinning motion creating velocity, I shouldn't have said "law of physics". It's not a "law of physics". It's more like an effect of the spinning motion. I can't explain this, but I know it is true. I've seen the results. Surely someone can back me up on this small fact that spinning air has more velocity than regular air being pushed out of an exhaust or sucked into an engine. Otherwise, I'll TRY to find some studies on this that I can show or reference.

As for the dynos, I'll definately show you the dynosheets to see if we have any gains, k? I think it will be interesting as well. I'll try getting the ones for the exhaust as well to see if that works on this car. The exhaust should work on ANY car, as far I know, just as long as the exhaust is fairly straight. Anyway, gotta' go. Thanks for correcting me. Later!

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I believe I know the experiment you're referring to. They demonstrate it in the Spiralmax advertisement to show how the "swirling air" moves more efficiently than the non-swirling air. I think we all did this experiment as kids:

Take two empty 2-liter soda (or pop
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The above experiment demonstrates two things (assuming we all understand gravity): density and displacement. The water has to displace the air in the lower bottle if it is to flow into it. As such, while the water moves into the lower bottle, air must move into the upper bottle, assuming a sealed system. The problem is that the water is getting in the way of the flow of air. If you can form a vortex, like water in a drain, the water will flow faster because the "eye" of the vortex has created a tunnel large enough for air to flow through. The reason the vortex keeps going wne you stop spinning the bottles is that gravity imparts enough acceleration to the water that it can maintain its angular velocity.

A tornado in real life is caused by air temperature differentials, among other things.

Unfortunately none of this applies to a car's intake manifold because we don't rely on gravity nor large temperature differentials to get air into our cylinders. The air/fuel mixture is drawn in by the motion of the piston increasing the volume of the combustion chamber as it moves down in its stroke. As such the Spiralmax won't have any effect on how mixture arrives in the cylinder. This is why it's a scam - "real science" is used to describe how it works but this "science" is a misapplication in this case.

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I understand what you're saying, and it pretty much makes sense. I've also contemplated how a "spiral object" in the front of the intake could cause air being PULLED from within the engine to keep spiraling all the way to the cylinder. It seems like the air would spin for just a second, then it would act normally again. Therefore, if there were any advantages to a spiral airflow, you probably wouldn't see them but for just a split second.

Eitherway, I'm gonna' try this out on my SHO and a Probe if I can...and some other cars if possible to see if there are advantages. Hey, ya' never know, right? Like I said, we actually saw a gain with my friend's prelude...so I guess anything's possible. Maybe there is something about the physics of the engine we're missing or not taking into account that somehow magically makes this thing work...I don't know. But I guess we'll find out soon enough, right?
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Besides...if it worked so well and gave you horsepower, don't you think everyone would have aftermarket kits that did this? lol Makes ya' wonder...

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And when your South of the Equator it spins counter clockwise!! I wonder if the Tornado needs to be installed backwards "Down Under"?

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Adding rifling to your intake will not cause the air to spin as it would a bullet. I believe you would have to have fins in the intake to make the air spin (not to mention a long, straight, impractical intake). If you grind grooves in your intake it will cause the air to tumble when it hits them. Good luck with the porting.

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Adding to what AutoXsho was saying, the water in the soda bottles is a liquid which needs to let air escape to move. The air coming into the intake doesn't need that, because its air.
 

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Yes, I understand exactly what you're saying about the liquid flowing like it does between bottles, and that's fine. And yes, that may not be useful to argue this point. But eitherway, spiraling air does have more velocity, so if you can produce this spiral that causes the velocity, you can see gains in it. But that's a big IF. And yes, a long straight impractical intake would be most effected by this.

Now, as for the rifling the interior of the intake causing the air to tumble...I don't know if I exactly agree with that. What I'm thinking of doing is LIGHTLY causing the interior of the intake to have some REALLY tiny tiny grooves in a spinning fashion which would cause the air to FOLLOW the spinning groove, not tumble off it. The outside air would eventually cause the inside air to swirle slightly and get the effect I'm shooting for. I'm not talking about grooving the intake out heavily...just EXTREMELY lightly, that's all. It probably won't make much or any difference at all, though, I bet. We could see though.
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And as for fins producing the spiral motion, that's what the Tornado does. It has fins on it that causes the air to spiral through the intake. But if the air hits turns and such, it will **** that spiraling motion and you won't see much or any gains...which is why a straight intake track is most desired and most benefitted by this setup.

But anyway, wait till I get the result back from the dynos when I try this setup and we'll see if these things are worth the money on SHOs, or any vehicle for that matter.
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And as for the spinning backwards in Australia...that's for water down a toilet, ya' goofball!
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Now air into an intake. LOL That's too funny. Nice relation though!

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Otherwise, I'm just going to port the inside and make it so that there's a literal twisting finish on the inside to create velocity by causing the air to spin, basically like a barrel does to a bullet.
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I'll just comment on the "rifling". The reason a gun barrel is rifled is to make the projectile spin. The gyroscopic effect of the spinning prevents the round from tumbling randomly. A tumbling round does not go in a straight line, it will go any direction it wants to, and not necessarily where you want it to.
By the way, the intake walls are very thin.
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Yeah, I had a feeling these intake walls were gonna' be thin.
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That sucks. I'm just gonna' smooth them out then more than likely. Oh well...have to do the best with what ya' got I guess. Thanks man.

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You might want to get some 1" wide 50 grit sandpaper and sand in the same direction of the airflow on the short turn of all bends including the heads. What your doing is adding riblets to the surface of the short radius bends to keep the airflow from going turbulent by keeping it attached and moving uniformly along the surface. This is like if an airfoil is stalling at a high angle(short radius of turn) of attack. When air stalls it separates from the airplanes wing with the air turning into turbulence which slows it down. If the manifold opening is smaller than the head opening, try port matching the roof of the head to the roof of the intake as I believe that this is the most important area for good flow into the head.

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Well, your first principle, that "swirling air is faster than non-swirling air" is incorrect. It's a marketing gimmick that the spiralmax people have been trying (and succeeding) to sell you.

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