Huge! new intercooler pics/progress

[TT SHO PROJECT]

what?!?!!? I..I. I mean..... ah forget it.....

Heavy? It's not THAT heavy. Underpowered? Uh, no.


When you said that you wanted to push this car past the limits. it's going to happen somewhere.... and when it does, there is a good chance something else can happen.

Again, you cannot use that as means to confirm your'e making XXXtq.

speed potential... what im saying is that its traction limeted. the car is heavy thats for damn sure and underpowered by far how is 220hp Not underpowered?
the way i see it for pushing the car to the limet nothing bad will heppen unless the tranny desides to lock up but im not makeing that much power as of yet.... im not useing the clutch not holding the power saying im makeing xxxtq i dunno where you got that from, im just saying when you add a turbo your tq numbers jump up where before they was lacking...

 

[TT SHO PROJECT]

News flash.... trying to build a turbocharged performance car with no money, IS half assed.

I can DEFINITELY appreciate you building your car up, there is no question of that. But frankly, the backwoods shoddy work just makes you and your project look bad. And then trying to justify not spending money on the project with lame excuses like you're just "testing the limits" of everything, makes you look like even more of a fool.

This is not meant to be offensive towards you Bob, it's just what I, and probably most of the other members here, see when we look at your posts on your car.

how is my work "shoddy" ? my welds dont leak at all i used all mandrel bends for the turbo plumbing minus the replacement downpipe thats crush bent.. i used heat wrap where it was needed.. nothing that i Made for this car has failed in any way, i can say yeah sure it doesnt look nice.... but who cares? do you drive with your hood off your car? i know i dont! im not Justifying not spending money on the car.... I HAVE NO MONEY! I CANT FEED MY SELF FOR GODS SAKE! if i had ANY money id put it into the car, but im broke and have been broke for the past 2 years.. money is hard to come by for me. im not as lucky as some of you guys that have jobs and money and what not... im as poor as it gets, bums have more money than i do and sad to say thats no joke.

 

[SASHO91]

Instead of *******' to us about not having any money, or food for that matter, why not do something about it?
I mean, I can understand hard times... I've been there once or twice. But YOU have to get yourself out of those situations.

Im sure there has to be some reasonable explanation for your lack of income. But that's your choice if you want to tell us.

 

[Shoaz]

I HAVE NO MONEY! I CANT FEED MY SELF FOR GODS SAKE! if i had ANY money id put it into the car, but im broke and have been broke for the past 2 years.. money is hard to come by for me. im not as lucky as some of you guys that have jobs and money and what not... im as poor as it gets, bums have more money than i do and sad to say thats no joke.

Well, lucky for you talk is cheap.

Seriously, though, you want to talk up modding a car and then say you can't even feed yourself? A priority examination might be in order...

 

[SuperchargedSHOguy]

It is your car Bob. If you are happy with it then that is awesome. No one else needs to appreciate it but yourself. If you want to test the limits then go ahead, again it is your car- you own it and can do what you please with it. You are not a professional builder so of course your work will not look top notch...don't let the shoddy comments get to you because you built this for yourself. You are not showing pictures to market this to everyone, **** people are lucky sometimes to see someone elses setup. If you just learned to weld or are using a sub par welder, of course the welds will look sloppy- mine did too at first. Your SHO fulfilled its purpose so far and that was for you to make it into a turbo SHO on a ZERO budget for yourself. You did it. Be proud.

 

[SHOKING91]

It is your car Bob. If you are happy with it then that is awesome. No one else needs to appreciate it but yourself. If you want to test the limits then go ahead, again it is your car- you own it and can do what you please with it. You are not a professional builder so of course your work will not look top notch...don't let the shoddy comments get to you because you built this for yourself. You are not showing pictures to market this to everyone, **** people are lucky sometimes to see someone elses setup. If you just learned to weld or are using a sub par welder, of course the welds will look sloppy- mine did too at first. Your SHO fulfilled its purpose so far and that was for you to make it into a turbo SHO on a ZERO budget for yourself. You did it. Be proud.

well put

good job for throwing a turbo SHO together

but it still burns my eyessssssss

 

[Toolman]

well sorry tool man but in my book iv already past what you guys call the limets of the fuel system and maf....

Bob, with all due respect (even though you have given me none), you do not even have a dyno, you have no idea how much power you may be making, what your A/F may be, how hard you are pushing the injectors, how close they are to maxing, no hard data at all.

and no ones stated what the stock internals can take i have yet to see anyone post numbers at which the rods broke or piston shattered...

That is because no one has broken a rod from too much power, only from blowing up the engine, which you are likely to do soon enough. And stock pistons are good for over 460whp, that has been proven. With a stock fuel system, you will never find the limits of the stock pistons, that is until you lean it out too far and detonate.

i can garrenty that iv gone past the "factory limets" of the fuel system a while ago... but i still have head room explain this to me ole mighty tool man.

What, did you dyno since I started this reply? I didn't think so.

iv respected your work maybe you should try respecting mine. iv done what lots have said "Wont Work" with a 100% success rate thus far...

Where have I not respected your work? All that I stated was that I did not agree with blowing up SHO's just because someone is too stubborn to listen to the myriad of advice from others that have been down the same path. I believe you said this in reply: you see there toolman... i like to break stuff... it gives me a challange... plus it gives me something to do

why dont you mr know it all make a bloody STICKY with ALL of the info You just said is already known.... huh? well why dont you go do that then if you say its known already. prove me wrong with more than just one instance of the each fact... i wanna see atleast 3 ppl who broke at a certian power figure.... i wanna see 3 instances for everything you stated thats "already known" can you do that? if not then your full of shit. didi i ever say how much i hate this site and almost everyone on here???

See, there is the big difference between you and I Bob. I came onto this site so many years ago, and I came to learn. I asked questions. I learned from others mistakes so I did not make my own. I listened to those with more experience, those who had already traveled the path I was looking to go down. I have never claimed to know it all, I continue learning, I continue to ask questions, and when I can, I share what I have learned. If someone does not want to listen, that is their prerogative. I can happily and easily provide you with WAAAAY more than 3 instance where someone has found the limits of the stock injectors, stock fuel pump, stock MAF, etc etc etc. If money is as hard to come by as you say, then perhaps blowing up more SHO engines should be the last thing you would want to do. Settle yourself down, deflate the ego a bit, and you might learn a thing a two from the countless years of trial and error that can be found on this forum.

I, as always, have tried to remain civil with you. I have in no way dogged your car, your system, your results. The only thing I have called into question is your determination to blow up your engine. But by all means, if that is your desire, proceed.

 

[Toolman]

didi i ever say how much i hate this site and almost everyone on here???

Hmmm, those guys that helped you out with your subframe problem, bet they appreciate the sentiment.

 

[SHOMurph]

:corn:

my little 6 banger is a little torquey.

 

[Toolman]

Nitrous does wonders eh?

 

[BringbacktheSHO]

yeah, god your car sucks ass and your a piece of crap for not building it like i would and how dare you tear up a priceless piece of motor history such as the SHO you should be locked up in the nut house you madman









just kidding, i think this thread is funny

 

[BlackonBlack89]

:shakehead


When does it end......

 

[Jonny Cash]

Its just good advice why not take it? You cant say you dint know you would be criticized. This is a tough crowd you know this already.

Its one thing to stand by your ways, and do things your own way.. Which I can respect, but you contradict yourself on everything you say.

Who cares what people say anyway Just have fun with it, thats what its all about.

 

[BlackonBlack89]

I really dont wanna say anything because I am contridicting what I said but........


When it does reach it limits and does blow. How are you gonna get a new engine. If you say you are so broke. I mean a with some fuel uprgrades and a maf U would save money. Not have to replace a stock motor with just another stock motor. Get what I am saying???

Just an observation that is all. I think it is amazing that u made ur own pipes for a turbo setup. Not many people here can say that......

 

[1993MTXSHO]

With no money to eat, and a nice ass IC and turbo like that id be sellin that to eat. I like food :corn:

 

[SuperchargedSHOguy]

With no money to eat, and a nice ass IC and turbo like that id be sellin that to eat. I like food :corn:

From what I remember he had the turbo already from a eclipse/talon. I like to eat too but sometimes I drink my dinner

 

[SuperchargedSHOguy]

I really dont wanna say anything because I am contridicting what I said but........


When it does reach it limits and does blow. How are you gonna get a new engine. If you say you are so broke. I mean a with some fuel uprgrades and a maf U would save money. Not have to replace a stock motor with just another stock motor. Get what I am saying???

Just an observation that is all. I think it is amazing that u made ur own pipes for a turbo setup. Not many people here can say that......

SHO engines are cheap. I could not give away a excellent running 3.0 to any of the FSHOC members...instead I sold if for cheap on ebay for like $50. Engines are a dime a dozen unless you buy them from salvage yards.

 

[Toolman]

I got a dollar for you, got me 120 engines? I would have gladly paid to have that engine you speak of shipped to me.

 

[yamahaSHO]

First of, IT'S LIMITS!!! I'm sure people are going to get offended, but your lack of education for correct spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc. does say a lot about you (and you wonder why you don't have money). Couple that with the lack of taking the initiative to find the answers you want without ******** because the crappy members do not want to post the same **** over and over again, I can see where people get there 'misconceptions' of your great work/knowledge.

I have to agree with Eric, modding a car to any extent aside from keeping it running is not in your best interest if you cannot feed yourself.

I honestly do not know why you want to know what the stock internals will handle when you won't come close to that with the setup you're running. You're likely to break pistons your way, but not from excessive power. There have been posts about broken pistons. I know this for sure as Pat has broken three of them.

ill tell you that it preforms way better than i had ever expected... is it a decent setup? hmm thats a tough one... probably not... its sub optimal in most aspects but as stated before i had 7 days to build it thats the time the city allowed me to have it apart. i only post on here cuz id think ppl would love to see what the sho's capable of and how easy it is done and how cheaply it can be done. i personaly want to see more turbo sho's on the road thats why i submit my lil bit of data so others dont have to be intimadated by the "cost" and how "hard it is" to put a turbo on our cars. when i first started viewing this site everyone said its imposible to turbo a sho. with what info i had back then i didnt see why it was imposible you can turbo a freakin lawn mower if you wanted too (iv seen it done)lol... i understand what you have said is just your opinion but iv stated many times before that this is not a perfect setup that its done on a homeless mans budget. if i had money it would be WAY diffrent in all aspects thats for sure. then again if i had money id have a t71 turbo and not a 16g oh wait i have a t71 turbo hmmm what should i put that on

You joined in August of 2005, I don't see people saying it's impossible to turbo a SHO at that point considering it had been done. Scott put together the remote-turbo SHO for a lower cost, yet he still upgraded in the fuel system because he not only knew he would need them, he knew how hard he was going to push it. Not only that, aside from the motors he has gone through, he doesn't look forward to breaking another.

There is a way to do things on a budget, however, I don't think taking short cuts in areas like fuel and such is what I would classify as "budget". You can budget something and still do it right.

 

[SuperchargedSHOguy]

I got a dollar for you, got me 120 engines? I would have gladly paid to have that engine you speak of shipped to me.

I would have gladly sold it to you or even given it to you like I tried to to the the guys in FL. It sat on here for about a month before it was in my way in the garage and I decided to put it on ebay. Went to some guy in Salt Lake City. Shipping was 4x the price on the engine but it was still cheaper than him buying from the salvage yard.