How hard is it to get pistons out of a 3.2L?

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As the tiel says, im tryign to get the pistons out of my 3.2L the heads are off but the rest of it is still there. Its out of the car so im gogn to jsut flip it upside down and start tearing it down. How long do you think this will take? Also are the wrist pisn press fit or anythign that I ll need to get them taken out at a machine shop or shiould I be abel to do this with regular had tools myself?
 

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shouldn't be to hard. all you need to do is take an extensin and place it on the rod bolts, tap it lightly with a hammer and the rod will move up and away from the crank. You can continue to do this until the piston is out just enough to take it out by hand. just be careful not to drop the piston or scratch anything.
 

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strings1732 said:
shouldn't be to hard. all you need to do is take an extensin and place it on the rod bolts, tap it lightly with a hammer and the rod will move up and away from the crank. You can continue to do this until the piston is out just enough to take it out by hand. just be careful not to drop the piston or scratch anything.
so, thats after I dissassemble the whole bottom end basically right, my main concern is getting the wrist pins out, I need the pistons seperate from the rods. Im keepgin the pins and rods and getting rid of the pistons so I need them seperate, so Im wondering are they press fit or will I be abel to getthe pins out on my own?
 

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Keep track of which rods and pistons go in each cylinder. Put them back in the same location and orientation that they came out.
 

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Yes, that is after the entire assembly has been dismantled. The Wrist pins have a clip to hold them in. IIRC a pair of needle nose is all you need to get that out and another extension or socket to tap the pins out with.
 

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1: Remove the oil pan, windage tray, and stud girdle.
2: Mark the location of all 6 rods and caps.
3: Remove the rod cap, and place 2 small pieces of 3/8 rubber hose over the rod bolts.
4: Remove the rod/piston combo. Careful if you decide to "tap" on the end of the rod bolt, as the bolt may start to back out of the rod.
The wrist pins are a press fit. Take them to your local machine shop.
Just a quick rundown. Hope it helps.:thumb:
 

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im buiying new pistons and everythign for his engine its getting a complete rebuild so do I really have to mark everything? I was also thinking of boring it to 3.3 or doign a slight overbore to slean up the cylinder walls. Also Do i absolutly HAVE to bring the pistons to a shop to get the wrist pins out or do you thihnk i can get the out without damaging anything? If not how much will it cost to get them taken out?
 

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The wrist pins are not press fit. If you remove the c-clips that hold them in, you can *lightly*tap them out with an extension like I said. I've done it before and trust me it's not neccessary to have a machine shop do it.

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Let me rephrase that. The wrist pins are pressed in, but with a little time and effort, you can get them out on your own as I have explained. Just be careful not to scratch anything.
 
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trying to beat me now since i just finished up my 3.2 mtx swap lol
just playing man. hope to run into ya soon here since you'll be in school near by and my swap is all complete. if you wanna know if it was worth it, the 150 man hours into atx to mtx swap..... **** yes!
lol 3.3 SHO sounds like a great idea man and if ya need some help dont be afraid to ask.
 

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ok sweet im guna ntry to rip that thing apart then this weekend, wish me luck haha.

Yeah im tryign to beat you haha, as if i even had the 830 bucks for a new set of low compression pistons haha. O and not to mmention the blower or nitrous setup that I have in my back pocket.:rofl: I honestly jsut want nice reliable power I dont want a lto of power... wait let me rephrase that I want as much power as I can get havign the reliability of a daily driver. Well as reliable as a sho can be for a dily driver, haha. O and speakign of help I think I need to get my subframe welded because im pretty sure its knockign around, it has all the tell tails signs of being broken. So if you have a welder....:naughty:
 

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Hmmmmm you've never taken a piston out of a motor before and you want to take this one apart to just change to a different piston? Wow, you are a daring soul.

Mark the orientation or everything you take out or apart to make absolutely sure you get it back together right.

Make sure the new pistons are within 25 grams of each other in weight.

Don't reuse the old head gaskets.

Check the block deck and head seat for flatness.

Make sure the rings are installed on each piston according to the directions that come with the new rings. You ARE putting in new rings, right? Use a piston ring compressor when re-installing the pistons in the block.

Clean everything before re-assembly.

Plastigage the new rod bearings to verify new oil film gap.

Use quality torque wrenches; you'll need both a high and a low torque wrench.


I've done about 20 engines in my lifetime and it still takes me longer than a weekend to build a motor.

I don't mean to discourage you, but this is a very difficult and demanding job. If you're not good at demands, perhaps you could find a neighbor or friend that has done a few motors that could oversee your project for you.

Tom
 

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My bad on the wrist pins. After I wrote it, I started to second guess myself. It might have something to do with driving 500miles yesterday.
 

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Off Road SHO said:
Hmmmmm you've never taken a piston out of a motor before and you want to take this one apart to just change to a different piston? Wow, you are a daring soul.

Mark the orientation or everything you take out or apart to make absolutely sure you get it back together right.

Make sure the new pistons are within 25 grams of each other in weight.

Don't reuse the old head gaskets.

Check the block deck and head seat for flatness.

Make sure the rings are installed on each piston according to the directions that come with the new rings. You ARE putting in new rings, right? Use a piston ring compressor when re-installing the pistons in the block.

Clean everything before re-assembly.

Plastigage the new rod bearings to verify new oil film gap.

Use quality torque wrenches; you'll need both a high and a low torque wrench.


I've done about 20 engines in my lifetime and it still takes me longer than a weekend to build a motor.

I don't mean to discourage you, but this is a very difficult and demanding job. If you're not good at demands, perhaps you could find a neighbor or friend that has done a few motors that could oversee your project for you.

Tom
Im sellgin the pistons to someone they asked for them this engien build wont be for a while and I think im goign to be boring my 93 3.0L to 3.2L rather then usign the 3.L block and everything is going to be new, and I will get it balenced. Iv restored a car and Iv had my fair shre of this sort of stuff. Im not scared:salute: Thanks for the advice though:thumb:
 

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good luck with all.
well i dont have a great welder but i have a stick welder nothing major.
i wish i had a good mig or plasma welder but moneys been tight latley.
as always let me know if ya need anything. not to mention i got tons of parts
 
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I don't mean to be a downer, but isn't it risky to bore out a short block to 3.2? Or is that just for the 1st gen blocks? I know I've read something like that somewhere...something having to do with cylender wall thickness?
 

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green91SHOPlus said:
I don't mean to be a downer, but isn't it risky to bore out a short block to 3.2? Or is that just for the 1st gen blocks? I know I've read something like that somewhere...something having to do with cylender wall thickness?

on newer blocks i think 93 up even 3.0s can be bored without any problems just as much as the 3.2s
 

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yup 93-95 are the same block its the 92 and prior blocks that its a bad idea. Anyway I got the pistons out with not to much trouble and the rod bearings actually didnt look to bad the ones near the crank looked a little burnt naybe were starved of oil at some point and the others were showing little or now copper, engine had 156k miles thanks for your help guys:thumb:
 

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strings1732 said:
The wrist pins are not press fit. If you remove the c-clips that hold them in, you can *lightly*tap them out with an extension like I said. I've done it before and trust me it's not neccessary to have a machine shop do it.

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Let me rephrase that. The wrist pins are pressed in, but with a little time and effort, you can get them out on your own as I have explained. Just be careful not to scratch anything.

First, the connecting rod wrist-pin IS pressed through the piston and connecting rod, AND is held in place within the piston with C-clips. It is pressed into the piston, because it is press-fit through the wrist-pin (small) end of the connecting rod, which is inserted into the base of the piston, prior to installation of the wrist-pin.

The wrist-pin has to move (rotate) :rofl: within the machined area of the piston, to allow the perpendicular movement :lol: relative to both the wrist-pin and crankshaft, as the crankshaft rotates and the pushes the connecting rod and piston up and down through the four-cycle process.

The "press-and-clip" design also allows the connecting rod/wrist-pin assembly to float laterally within the piston (between the clips), as the crankshaft moves longitudinally within the engine due to rotational torque. This "thrust" shifting of the crankshaft places lateral forces on the connecting rods and pistons.

Failure of the wrist-pin to rotate within the piston would prevent vertical movement of the piston, and failure of the wrist-pin to float within the piston longitudinally would result in excessive cylinder wall wear, excessive heat, and eventual seizing.

Technically, Area51 is “more” correct. :thumb:

However, because the wrist-pin "floats" within the piston, it would rapidly "exit stage left" if the connecting rod no longer held it in place due to wear and the C-clips weren't present. This would destroy the cylinder wall and likely render the block unrepairable, in addition to locking-the-motor-up with little or no warning.



Here's an abbreviated quote from the 1994 Service Manual I have handy:

Piston and Piston Pins

Disassembly

  1. remove connecting rod bearings from the connecting rod and cap.
  2. remove the piston rings using a suitable piston ring expander.
    (got one?)
  3. mark the connecting rod cap to ensure assembly with the same
    piston and installation in the same cylinder from which they are
    removed.
  4. Using an arbor press, Piston Pin Remover/Replacer Base,
    Piston Pin Remover/Replacer Sleeve, and
    Piston Pin Remover/Replacer, drive the piston pin from the
    piston and connecting rod.

The items in Blue boldprint above are the three Ford tools recommended for removing the wrist-pin from the piston/connecting rod assembly.
 

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While all of the above “techniques” will and do work, how you chose to disassemble a short block largely has to do with how much of the internal parts you plan to reuse, as well as your experience in engine disassembly/assembly. One mistake on your part, could result in your damaging a part or worse yet, in the engine locking-up after you’ve spent hours assembling it, before you even realize what’s happening.

If I were simply tearing-down a short block for the block itself, all of the above techniques are fine, and several are both time and money savers. However, if I were planning on reusing any of the internal components - the connecting rods/caps, connecting rod bolts, wrist-pins, or pistons and/or were *not* having the block line-bored and all the parts “miked” (checked with a micrometer) for tolerances, I would not use any of the “tap-it-out-with-a….” techniques mentioned above - especially if you’ve never disassembled an engine before.

Engine components have tolerances measured in thousandths of an inch. This requires that many bearings and pins be pressed-on/-off -in/-out during assembly/disassembly. Specific tools are made for each of these tasks, to ensure the pressure applied to assemble and disassemble the components is distributed continuously, equally and uniformly across the surface being “pressed”.

The use of improper tools does not allow the force being applied to be distributed equally and uniformly across the surface (much less continually). Using striking blows such as with a socket or extension (versus continuous pressure created by a hydraulic press), results in distortion of the metal on one or both surfaces and can result in hairline stress fractures, or actual damage to the item if the distortion occurs near the edge of the surface.

Damage always occurs to the softer of the two materials first and to a greater degree :smash:. Generally, piston castings are softer than wrist-pins, and wrist-pins are softer than most sockets and extensions which the tool manufactures know are going to be abused.

Ever see a valve go a round with a piston? A valve go a round with the cylinder head and valve guide when bent before destroying the piston? :fight: Questions?

Taping the connecting rod/piston assembly out using the above “extension” technique can result in damage to the connecting rod bolts, connecting rod cap, or other components if the connecting rod bolt “pops-through” - striking and nicking the cylinder wall, the piston skirt, or underside of the piston housing near the wrist-pin chamber portion of the casting. There's also the possibility of damaging the crankshaft journal if the piston moves too fast and drags/bounces the connecting rod bolt across the journal face. And then again, it might turn-out fine. So if you plan on replacing the connecting rod bolts (which many engine builders strongly recommend), it’s a matter of potential damage to the connecting rods, crankshaft, pistons, or block.

Also realize that with 150,000+ miles on the engine, there may be a significant wear-ridge at the top of the cylinder that may make it difficult to get the rings past as you begin to remove the piston. It is recommended that the ridge be removed before removing the piston. Failing to do so can result in damage to the cylinder wall and/or piston ring-grooves (as well as the piston rings, but you should never reuse rings unless you like rebuilding your engine a lot).

And if I were planning on selling the parts (pistons) to someone else, the last thing I would do is use a shade-tree technique for removing the wrist-pin. What if you knowingly damage one of the pistons - where are you going to get a replacement? And if you unknowingly damage the piston and his machine shop catches it, well, I wouldn't want to be you.


I’d be curious as to how many above have actually rebuilt their own SHO motors using the above techniques they’ve posted, if any engine at all. Okay, fess-up. Who are the shade-tree mechanics, and the shade-keyboard mechanics :type: here that have actually built an engine?
 

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Did I just coin a new term? ;)

Shade-key Mechanic :type: (ie. Shade-keyboard Mechanic)


Seriously guys/gals - rebuilding a motor is a time and money consuming project. The risk/reward of cutting a few corners here is simply too great, even in the absence of the scarcity (cost) of SHO parts. The less than $100 you'll save simply doesn't outweigh the loss in time and additional costs if you blow a motor due to sloppy shop-work. If you look at the number of hours alone involved in a second rebuild versus the savings, it amounts to less than $2.00 per hour. Not to mention that many shops include such fees in their engine-rebuild quotes, or reconditioning services.
 
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