MilTownSHO
SHO Member
Sadly, I think the same thing...
Highest mileage non-welded/pinned V8....
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E1
Crash Tested
Indeed.MilTownSHO:
Sadly, I think the same thing...
Ask Knute Axelson. I just repaired his `99 SHO with 50,000 miles. He did nothing wrong to the car but his Engine Grenaded. WHO'S NEXT?
stephen newberg
SHO Member
"It's a design flaw. Given time I believe almost every cam will fail."
"Sadly, I think the same thing..."
And for whatever it is worth, I think so too, but thinking it is so is not the same as knowing it is so. One of my degrees is in engineering, though not automotive. Regardless, though I think there is excellent evidence that at some point in time every one of these cam sprocket connections will fail, at the moment there is not the data set available to prove that, nor is there the data to indicate if the failure in any particular instance will occur at a point in time that is meaningful for the running life expectancy of the machine.
As per the people that did not know about the site and you told, them, you missed my point. I expect (and thi is my guess, so it could be wrong also) a vast majority of owners that have the problem now did not know about the site prior to having the problem, so from a survey or statistical viewpoint, the fact that they were older (I am older, by the way, and from the occasional thread about it here and elsewhere, so are many of our posters) and had not yet heard of the problem or of V8SHO.com really does not mean much, and if your sample was in fact be viewed in a statistical way, it could mean just the opposite of what you are indicating.
But will all the cams go eventually? Yup, I think so.
pax, smn
<small>[ February 21, 2003, 05:46 AM: Message edited by: stephen newberg ]</small>
"Sadly, I think the same thing..."
And for whatever it is worth, I think so too, but thinking it is so is not the same as knowing it is so. One of my degrees is in engineering, though not automotive. Regardless, though I think there is excellent evidence that at some point in time every one of these cam sprocket connections will fail, at the moment there is not the data set available to prove that, nor is there the data to indicate if the failure in any particular instance will occur at a point in time that is meaningful for the running life expectancy of the machine.
As per the people that did not know about the site and you told, them, you missed my point. I expect (and thi is my guess, so it could be wrong also) a vast majority of owners that have the problem now did not know about the site prior to having the problem, so from a survey or statistical viewpoint, the fact that they were older (I am older, by the way, and from the occasional thread about it here and elsewhere, so are many of our posters) and had not yet heard of the problem or of V8SHO.com really does not mean much, and if your sample was in fact be viewed in a statistical way, it could mean just the opposite of what you are indicating.
But will all the cams go eventually? Yup, I think so.
pax, smn
<small>[ February 21, 2003, 05:46 AM: Message edited by: stephen newberg ]</small>
SHOWHAT9
SHO Member
Ask yourself this question. Ford has made 414,000 of the focus line. Just recently it was annouced that Ford is issuing a recall based on prematue POSSIBLE deployment of the air bag. Seems the problem is a nickel and dime sensor that isn't properly shielded from corrosion. Now how many failures you think it took ford before they decieded on the recall?? Whatever your thinking your wrong. 154 reported cases. Now ask yourself how many lawsuits it took??? 8. According to the report, there were no serious accidents, but enough **** was raised with NHTSA + 8 lawsuits=recall.
I think there is a fundamental flaw in the perception of cams failing. Over time, based on the design and what we know, they potentially will all fail. we have 20k cars out there and as of yesterday @220 failures. Do the math. Statistically we are in harms way much more than some soccer mom driving little Johnny to practice.
We just need to make more noise. This proves it.
Trust your cams if you want. I don't believe in luck.
WE NEED TO BECOME EXTREMELY VOCAL ABOUT OUR DISPLEASURE. The cam failures are not an anomaly.
It is a *****'d design.
As usual, other than that, I have no opinion.
Thank you and have a nice day thumbs_u
<small>[ February 21, 2003, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: SHOWHAT9 ]</small>
96gts
New Member
Guys, I plan on doing the cam weld one way or another. I always look for the logic in things, and welding the cams is a logical idea, it's just going to take a few weeks/months for me to get to it. Or if I find a couple of detailed articles to do it myself, then that's what I'll do.
SHOWHAT9
SHO Member
I highly discourage you from this. Don't take my word for it, contact the webmaster of V8SHO.COM and he will gladly share experiences of people who had this mind set and destroyed their engines.
No slight on whatever your skill level. This is not a project you want to do "out of a book"
****,as good as Paul is, he didn't weld his own cams, that should tell you volumes. Do yourself a favor, put off the go fast crap and attend to your cars only fatal flaw. Once fixed bolt on all the toys you want.
IMHO
thumbs_u
<small>[ February 21, 2003, 07:38 PM: Message edited by: SHOWHAT9 ]</small>
Bluto
New Member
SHOWHAT9,
That is awsome looking facia.
thumbs_u
That is awsome looking facia.
thumbs_u
SHOWHAT9
SHO Member
Yeah, wish it were on mine!!! shrug
<small>[ February 21, 2003, 09:25 PM: Message edited by: SHOWHAT9 ]</small>
E1
Crash Tested
SHOWHAT9:
ONLY FATAL FLAW??? Yeah I wish. The only thing keeping me from Bolting on the go fast crap is what happened to my buddies `97 AX4N this morning from go fast crap. The OTHER FATAL FLAW.(TRANNY)Do yourself a favor, put off the go fast crap and attend to your cars only fatal flaw.
Mac98SHO
Active Member
1998 SHO (Late Build Date)
115,500 miles, and no major motor or tranny work done.
When I can afford it, the Cams will get welded. I am not nice to it one bit, the oil is changed every 3-4K miles. Tranny every 30K since I owned it. I have one small exhaust leak couple of oil leaks since moving to the colder climate. Still though I only go thru less than quart of oil every 4K approx.
Mac
<small>[ February 22, 2003, 09:02 PM: Message edited by: Mac98SHO ]</small>
115,500 miles, and no major motor or tranny work done.
When I can afford it, the Cams will get welded. I am not nice to it one bit, the oil is changed every 3-4K miles. Tranny every 30K since I owned it. I have one small exhaust leak couple of oil leaks since moving to the colder climate. Still though I only go thru less than quart of oil every 4K approx.
Mac
<small>[ February 22, 2003, 09:02 PM: Message edited by: Mac98SHO ]</small>
SCOTTDW
New Member
If you weld the cam and get a new tranny the thing will wail for a good long time....until the next tranny of course.
Scott
98SF
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MilTownSHO
SHO Member
Clock's a ticking... wink
<small>[ February 23, 2003, 08:56 PM: Message edited by: MilTownSHO ]</small>
E1
Crash Tested
Probably washes it with Holy Water! LOL
Mike Kopstain
New Member
I'm not sure why people here and on the V8 SHO list brag about their mileage as if to say to everyone "in your face". "My cams have made it this far and you guys said they wouldn't". Do you guys realize that whether your car has 5,000 miles or 500,000 miles, the cams should still be welded? All your high mileage means is that you have been lucky. One day your luck will run dry and your high mileage SHO will spin it's sprocket. Then you can come through and brag about how much you paid for a new engine.
Not pointed at anyone in particular... I was just reading the V8 SHO list and then I saw this post and it triggered me.
[/rant] Commence flaming.
<small>[ February 24, 2003, 12:54 AM: Message edited by: Mikeys_Taurus ]</small>
Not pointed at anyone in particular... I was just reading the V8 SHO list and then I saw this post and it triggered me.
[/rant] Commence flaming.
<small>[ February 24, 2003, 12:54 AM: Message edited by: Mikeys_Taurus ]</small>
Ian Macoomb
SHO Member
Exactly.
It looks like they've been happening at about one a day. Look at V8SHO, 33 failures reported in January, 23 failures this month. At that pace, over 360 of them will fail this year alone.
Which day is yours? Are you feeling lucky today?
E1
Crash Tested
Yeah. With an automatic!
SHOWHAT9
SHO Member
Yeah, what they all said up there!!! The term ticking time bomb is not far from the truth. If we ever get done spanking Ford for the cams, maybe we will go back and start spankin them for the crap trans. shrug
<small>[ February 24, 2003, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: SHOWHAT9 ]</small>
<small>[ February 24, 2003, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: SHOWHAT9 ]</small>
SHOWHAT9
SHO Member
Oh allright then. Another day for the trans crap. thumbs_u
