Going to AWD dyno tomorrow!

[steve142857]

I finally found a place i nMontreal with AWD dyno (Dynapack). It is supposed to be the most precise dyno (they remove the wheels). I will pay 140$ plus tax and will be able to do many runs. I want to compare stock vs stage 2-3-4 from Livernois. I don't have any other mods that would potentially affect the power, so it should give a good idea of what the Livernois tuning can do by itself (no CAI, exhaust, nothing but the tuning compared to stock).
I will try to film a few runs and post the movies on youtube and some pics here on the forum with the numbers.
I believe the concensus of drivetrain loss is between 25-28% right?
If stock is 365hp, I would expect :
stage 2 : 400hp
stage 3 : 400hp
stage 4 : 425hp

Bets are opened, what you guys think?

Answer tomorrow afternoon... keep posted!:woo-hoo:

Steve

 

[N8rfastback]

man I cant wait! im anxious to see how it does.... Ill be ordering the livernois stuff soon and I have custom exhaust and a CAI already on order.

-Nate

 

[gregoire]

Subscribed.

 

[LMSRick]

I finally found a place i nMontreal with AWD dyno (Dynapack). It is supposed to be the most precise dyno (they remove the wheels). I will pay 140$ plus tax and will be able to do many runs. I want to compare stock vs stage 2-3-4 from Livernois. I don't have any other mods that would potentially affect the power, so it should give a good idea of what the Livernois tuning can do by itself (no CAI, exhaust, nothing but the tuning compared to stock).
I will try to film a few runs and post the movies on youtube and some pics here on the forum with the numbers.
I believe the concensus of drivetrain loss is between 25-28% right?
If stock is 365hp, I would expect :
stage 2 : 400hp
stage 3 : 400hp
stage 4 : 425hp

Bets are opened, what you guys think?

Answer tomorrow afternoon... keep posted!:woo-hoo:

Steve

I'm not sure how the Dynapack numbers compare to Dyno-Jet, but we've never had one make over 400 WHP.

Darreli's car made less than that and has the current ET record as of today.

-Rick

 

[steve142857]

I'm not sure how the Dynapack numbers compare to Dyno-Jet, but we've never had one make over 400 WHP.

Darreli's car made less than that and has the current ET record as of today.

-Rick

I said 365 hp stock, which is about 275 at the wheels... so, at the wheels at would expect between 300-320hp which translate to 400-425hp at engine considering drive train loss of 25%... make more sense? Anike7 was making around 327, but I think dynapack is more severe... Anyways, I will compare in terms of % appreciation over stock. So, if with stage 4, I have 20% more power, that would correspond to 120% x 365hp stock for 438hp...We'll see!

 

[steve142857]

I'm not sure how the Dynapack numbers compare to Dyno-Jet, but we've never had one make over 400 WHP.

Darreli's car made less than that and has the current ET record as of today.

-Rick

What is Darreli's fastest ET? Mine is 108.3 mph so far with just the tune... Maybe from there we can estimate what numbers I can expect from dyno tomorrow compared to his...

 

[darreli]

110 has been my fastest MPH. Didn't really pick up much in the overall MPH but went about .5 quicker than before.

 

[jedhead]

I found that the dynapack reads about 14% higher than a dynojet for me.




I had the car tuned on the dynapack and retested on the dynojet. Since we have 91 Octane gas my tune is very conservative.

I had other friends run their CTS-V and Buick GNX with the same difference in readings.

Bob

 

[SHO U UP]

Looking forward to the results Steve. :thankyou:

 

[steve142857]

Hey guys,

I am in a bit of a hurry, but wanted to inform you about the results :

stock : 282whp and 300lbs tq
Livernois stage 3 : 301whp and 310lbs of tq
Livernois stage 4 : 311whp and 305lbs of tq

With the tunes, there was a big consistent spike (378 for stg 4 and 340 for stg 3) in the torque at around 2000rpm which was not there in the stock tune. Also the torque was holding longer over 300 lbs with the tunes (between 3000 and 5,500) as opposed to stock...

Air/fuel ratio was around 12 when tuned and 14.6 not tuned.

Runs were made in 4th gear.

So, if stock is 280whp on the dynapack, stage 3 made about 7% more hp than stock and stage 4 10% more. The guy was telling me that it made sense, since usually 1 psi gives more or less 10hp and with more timing... about 29whp more or 40hp at crank more with stage 4...

I was expecting a bit more, but it is not just the power that matters, but how it is distributed and this is where Livernois did an amazing job.

So, for just a tune, I am happy with it... I would be curious to see the stock numbers when Anike7 did his dyno testing giving 327hp/330lbs on stage 2 with just a CAI...

Comments welcome and video and picture to come soon.

Cheers!

Steve

 

[anike7]

Sorry been off the forum for some time playing with my 2011 f150 lariat 6.2 and just left the sho to sit for a while.

Anyway to answer your questions Steve I never dynoed my car stock just had Dan dyno tune it with the airraid intake on it and no other mods. Now ready to get back to livernois to get back to work on the sho and see what they have for the 6.2 f150's.

 

[N8rfastback]

that does seem a little low... hmm

 

[Phoenix]

Hey guys,

I am in a bit of a hurry, but wanted to inform you about the results :

stock : 282whp and 300lbs tq
Livernois stage 3 : 301whp and 310lbs of tq
Livernois stage 4 : 311whp and 305lbs of tq

With the tunes, there was a big consistent spike (378 for stg 4 and 340 for stg 3) in the torque at around 2000rpm which was not there in the stock tune. Also the torque was holding longer over 300 lbs with the tunes (between 3000 and 5,500) as opposed to stock...

Air/fuel ratio was around 12 when tuned and 14.6 not tuned.

Runs were made in 4th gear.

So, if stock is 280whp on the dynapack, stage 3 made about 7% more hp than stock and stage 4 10% more. The guy was telling me that it made sense, since usually 1 psi gives more or less 10hp and with more timing... about 29whp more or 40hp at crank more with stage 4...

I was expecting a bit more, but it is not just the power that matters, but how it is distributed and this is where Livernois did an amazing job.

So, for just a tune, I am happy with it... I would be curious to see the stock numbers when Anike7 did his dyno testing giving 327hp/330lbs on stage 2 with just a CAI...

Comments welcome and video and picture to come soon.

Cheers!

Steve

Where is it? cause Ive been looking for one to put my 2002 on.

PS: Im in Granby.

 

[steve142857]

Where is it? cause Ive been looking for one to put my 2002 on.

PS: Im in Granby.

It's Dynodoc in Montreal 6565 Durocher (close to Beaubien and Du Parc). It is worth it to go for AWD, but he can also do 2WD. The setup is long though as he needs to lift and remove wheels put dyno on each ... for my car it was about an hour of setup.... Then the car was refusing to shift into third... with an ABS error message... we removed it with device and then good to go. We did 1 run stage 3, 2 stage 4 and 1 stock (that was not long, just the time to flash between runs, so all-in about 30 minutes for the 4 runs and then another 20 minutes to put back the wheels. So I was there for 2 hours and 45 minutes (because of issue with error message). The guy is named Brady and seems to know what he is doing, looks passionate about it and very nice guy.
Let me know if you end up seeing him and let him know Steve with the 2010 SHO sent you... ; )

 

[jedhead]

I did not gain much peak power with the tune on my STS-V. However, with all the torque nannies removed the car felt much more powerful. With the tune, leaving the light at half throttle, I would lay down rubber while without the tune I would almost have to floor the gas to launch as hard. The stock tune on STS-V prevents WOT in first and second gear and the blower bypass remains open longer. My thinking is that the tune you have the same effect as mine. The difference with all the tq nannies removed didn't show up on the dyno since the car was run in third and the stock programming allows WOT and blower bypass to shut sooner.

Bob

 

[darreli]

The stock program a/f was 14.7 under WOT?? That's not right...should be right around 10.7 from the factory

 

[steve142857]

that does seem a little low... hmm

It thought so as well... People have be mentioning a drive train loss of 25-28%... IF the 365 announced by Ford is accurate, the reading of 282whp would correspond to a loss of 22.5%. The stage 4 would then be 401hp at crank. Apparently Airaid CAI is not supposed to add hp, but again I wonder how Anike5 stage 2 with CAI arrived to 327/330... If someone knows how much Anike5 ran stock on the same dyno, that would give us a pretty good idea of the increase of the tune. But again, I really feel a huge difference between stock and stage 3. Leaving the place today, I had put it back to stock, ran a few blocks and it felt slow! Especially the kick downs that were taking more time to respond and less feeling of being absorb by the seats... After 2 minutes, I needed to re-flash the car to stage 3... Once you tried it it is hard to go back, beware everyone!

 

[steve142857]

There you go :

 

[Crash712us]

It thought so as well... People have be mentioning a drive train loss of 25-28%... IF the 365 announced by Ford is accurate, the reading of 282whp would correspond to a loss of 22.5%. The stage 4 would then be 401hp at crank. Apparently Airaid CAI is not supposed to add hp, but again I wonder how Anike5 stage 2 with CAI arrived to 327/330... If someone knows how much Anike5 ran stock on the same dyno, that would give us a pretty good idea of the increase of the tune. But again, I really feel a huge difference between stock and stage 3. Leaving the place today, I had put it back to stock, ran a few blocks and it felt slow! Especially the kick downs that were taking more time to respond and less feeling of being absorb by the seats... After 2 minutes, I needed to re-flash the car to stage 3... Once you tried it it is hard to go back, beware everyone!

I hear ya on the warning. Been running stage 2 for a month now, and decided skip stage 3 and good right to 4. what a difference I don't think I'll ever go back.

heed steve's warning!

 

[LMSRick]

The peak gains we see are never huge going from stock to any of the tunes, but the areas under the curve and after the curve have gains of as much as 90 WHP in areas.

-Rick