Engine Swap!!!!!!

[Chad]

Here goes my Question?

Have a 93 MTX SHO, engine blew about 3months ago had like 170,000 miles, I bought a 93 ATX engine. What problems do you guys see I face when doing the engine swap. I called 3 ford dealerships and they all said I should have no problems. This engine was a result of a roll over and has only 67K miles so I couldn't pass it up. From ya'lls past experience what do you suggest I change on the new one before I install it. Other than like the timing belt, hoses and plug wires. Just tring to get a head start into this little project I got myself into.

 

[luigisho]

Check out http://www.shotimes.com to see if there is a write up on this procedure. You need to swap all the accessories from the 3.0 onto the 3.2. You probably should put the 3.0 heads on too. Also use the search feature here and you will find many past discussions on doing this.

 

[Chad]

Why the heads off the 3.0 I can understand the acces. but why the heads???

 

[luigisho]

First the cams from the 3.0 give better torque and second I think there is part of the heads that don't fit well in the engine bay (I could be a little off on this one). The 3.2 sits further up in the engine bay on the ATX cars. I haven't done this but I've seen many conversations about it here.
Like I said, use the search feature and you should have access to alot of info. from several people who have done this in the past year.

 

[drivinhard]

I'd pull that 3.2L apart and inspect it real well, rollovers can leave a motor oil starved.

 

[Chad]

Thanks for the advise guys any more info is welcomed and appreciated

 

[luigisho]

drivinhard makes a good point. Also I beleive he wrote an article about the 3.2 swap for the sho club magazine some time back. I'm not 100% on this. He has done a few though.
Again check out the shotimes.com site under modifications. The first 3.2 ATX motor swap (sho shop was overboring 3.0's to 3.2) into the MTX was done by Tim Dahm and is chronicled there (I think with pics). Since then, most have used the 3.0 heads instead of the ones from the 3.2.

 

[olympic]

The 3.2 heads have to be machined/drilled/tapped a bit for a few of the brackets to bolt up. No big deal. Then you can just swap the 3.0 intake cams into the 3.2 heads and your ready to roll!

 

[Chad]

Ok I read the shotimes piece, now what i'm getting is that I don't really have to change the heads it's just if I want the extra torque. Another thing is the swap that guy done was from a 90 to a 93. This a 93 to a 93 I shouldn't have to make all those mods to the acces. and so forth. Correct me if i'm wrong here! There really wasn't that much info other than that one piece. All comments are welcomed. Thanks

 

[RStalveyARFF]

an automatic motor utilizes a single serpentine belt accessory system, mainly because of its location in the engine bay. The manual motor uses a 2 belt system, which requires totally different bracketry, etc. Other differences include the timing belt routing, where the manual uses 1 idler/tensioner pulley and the automatic uses 2. Pieces you need to swap from your 3.0 to 3.2 include: Motor mount brackets, accessories, relocated the timing belt tensioner stud to the next hole, the timing belt tensioner, crank pulley, oil pump (the oil pump pickups are the same between the 3.0 and 3.2) oil pan, rear water pump housing, and I believe the exhaust manifolds. I used the 3.0 heads, because I redid every gasket on my motor, which also had 67k. For the price of the head gaskets, it saves you work swapping pieces between heads, and it also helps ensure good compression in the new motor.

 

[luigisho]

E- I'd like to see how that eaton setup works out. Are you going with a roots or screw style? Is the stock intake optimal with this setup?

 

[drivinhard]

Who are you asking about the eaton blower? Me? How did you know that was banging around in my head? wink

 

[luigisho]

I saw the eaton in erik's sig. above. However considering the low end torque available I'm not surprised to hear you've been kicking that idea around Mark. I was looking at the screw type that would hook up as easily as a centrifugal but I thought the roots type might require some modification to the intake. Maybe not, as I've never seen that type of blower setup on an intake like ours.

 

[rktmn]

I am in the process of transferring all the brackets, mounts and accessories from a 3.0 engine to my ATX 3.2 to install on my swapped MTX conversion; however, I am confised. Why do I need to change the oil pump, if the pick up and the the baffles are the same for both engines, it would seem to me that changing the oil pan would be all that is necessary.
I would rather keep the 3.2 oil pump if possible. It has less miles.

 

[drivinhard]

3.2L oil pump doesn't fit up with the 3.0L parts (timing covers, etc) perfectly.

 

[Chad]

If everything is the same why even change the oil pan. In my case the oil pan from the 3.0 is cracked into pieces because of pieces of piston that broke through. I don't see why we have to change the oil pan. Please shed some light because I'd hate to have to buy a oil pan!!!

 

[pjtoledo]

Chad:
If everything is the same why even change the oil pan. In my case the oil pan from the 3.0 is cracked into pieces because of pieces of piston that broke through. I don't see why we have to change the oil pan. Please shed some light because I'd hate to have to buy a oil pan!!!

Tranny bolt holes move about 1/2 ",,,and the pan is shaped different for clearance of the y pipe, which is also different. I have 1 of each engine laying around, good for parts comparison, but way too used to use.

Perry Toledo,Ohio

 

[Chad]

Well in that case does anyone have an oil pan for a 93 MTX that there not using because It looks like i'm going to need one here in the next couple of days or so. I'm just going to buy a new oil pump. Any help here is appreciated

 

[drivinhard]

"I'm just going to buy a new oil pump"

They are getting hard to find!