Don't let this happen to your 3.5L!!

[Livernois Motorsports]

Starting with a great foundation is the way to build solid home that will stand for years to come. This is the same aspect when it comes to your motor, especially your 3.5L EcoBoost motor.

Take a look at the photos and see what happens when a stock block is pushed to the breaking point. The stock metals constructed to form the stock rod is not strong enough to handle the added boost and engine rpm. So in-turn they will crack and continue to spin inside the block causing the block to crack and even holes in the walls of the block. This is absolute catastrophic failure and will be costing you a boat load of cash!

One way to avoid this from happening and making your wallet very sad is to start with a great foundation as explained with the home example. When you are looking to push anywhere from 450 or more wheel hp/tq a new piston and rod is necessary. Here at Livernois Motorsports we have developed a solution for this issue. After many years of testing and building EcoBoost motors, we have seen all of the breaks, cracks, and destruction that could possibly happen to these blocks. That is why we have one of the best kits on the market. The Powerstorm Ultra High Performance rods and Powerstorm Ultra High Performance pistons are the best starting point. They will be able to handle all the power you can throw at them, being constructed of 4340 aircraft quality vacuum degassed rods and 2618 forged pistons.

During this process, we highly suggest to add in a set of Powerstorm Oil Pump gears made of 4140 chromolly steel. This will eliminate the possibility of the stock oil pump gears breaking with added crankshaft vibration, a very common cause of failure.

Below is a list of our product lines like Powerstorm pistons, rods, and short blocks!

Powerstorm Ultra High Performance Rods - http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP710100
Powerstorm Ultra High Performance Pistons - http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP720110
Powerstorm Billet Oil Pump Gears - http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP701141

 

[StealBlueSho]

Wait wha!? Doesn't your stage 5 meth kit with all the boltons produce more than 450lbs of torque??

Are you saying that the stock rods are prone to failure at that point?


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[OmaHahn]

Wait wha!? Doesn't your stage 5 meth kit with all the boltons produce more than 450lbs of torque??

Are you saying that the stock rods are prone to failure at that point?


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Maybe not "450 WHEEL Torque"??

 

[StealBlueSho]

Maybe not "450 WHEEL Torque"??

The Dyno numbers from guys with LMS and their alky kits are for sure putting down at least 450lbs of torque to the wheels.. if not, it would be a waste of money as their 4+X tune they claim puts just over 400 down to the wheels...

EDIT: I could have sworn I saw dynos with their meth kits putting out at least 450 to the wheels... I can't seem to find them, so I could be wrong..

Still.. with other tuners putting out number without meth at over 400lbs of torque I would be shocked if LMS alky kit which require 100% meth doesn't go over 450...

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[2012korn]

Yes. Full bolt on meth cars easily make over 450 at the wheels

 

[SilverSH0]

Wait wha!? Doesn't your stage 5 meth kit with all the boltons produce more than 450lbs of torque??

Are you saying that the stock rods are prone to failure at that point?


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I won't speak for Livernois and will wait for their reply. But with their reputation, I highly doubt they are going to give out tunes that they fear will break rods. I would guess that replacing at 450 is the ballpark to be on the completely safe side.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

450 begins to be the area where you will want to consider internal replacements as security blankets if you will.
Most of the vehicles that have the Alky kit on them around between 430-440 at the wheels for torque. As SilverSHO
said, we are not here to break vehicles, but in fact prevent that from happening.

 

[StealBlueSho]

450 begins to be the area where you will want to consider internal replacements as security blankets if you will.
Most of the vehicles that have the Alky kit on them around between 430-440 at the wheels for torque. As SilverSHO
said, we are not here to break vehicles, but in fact prevent that from happening.

Thanks! I wasn't accusing, more concerned/curious as I had not seen anyone else post that information. There are a couple tuners pushing that 450 limit and it was never a concern.

Thanks for the information, you guys probably seen more interesting things than we do.


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[Livernois Motorsports]

Thanks! I wasn't accusing, more concerned/curious as I had not seen anyone else post that information. There are a couple tuners pushing that 450 limit and it was never a concern.

Thanks for the information, you guys probably seen more interesting things than we do.


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Never crossed our minds as an accusation. Just want to get all the info we can out there to the community.

 

[brucelinc]

Never crossed our minds as an accusation. Just want to get all the info we can out there to the community.

We appreciate the info and your support of the ecoboost engines!

 

[BamSHO]

Yeah I figured buying your Alky kit, I would be close to that threshold.

If your planning on ATP turbos, then def time to upgraded the internals.

 

[321GO]

"When you are looking to push anywhere from 450 or more wheel hp/tq a new piston and rod is necessary."

Just curious..... 2015 SHO with just your Hurricane Bundle. What wheel HP / tq does that make?

 

[DerricksSHO]

So let me ask this.. Is this the motor that has been floating the web that was on a E blend and spray and not returned for the colder weather.... seems these motors have been making good power for a few years now.

 

[SilverSH0]

So let me ask this.. Is this the motor that has been floating the web that was on a E blend and spray and not returned for the colder weather.... seems these motors have been making good power for a few years now.

I doubt it was because Livernois doesn't tune for Ethanol blend.

 

[DerricksSHO]

This was a question that was directed to Livernois SilverSho being that they do work on more than just cars that they tune. Someone has a mishap I was just curious if it was the same motor. Any motor expecially with a power adder can be made out to be that your pushing them to there limits because you are. There wouldn't be an aftermarket if we didn't need it.