Best Strut/Spring Package?

[Mr95Gl]

Not sure if i'm going abit off topic here, but would running SensaTracs/Cut Moog CC's be just as good, or am I asking for issues? If not, what kind of ride quality should I expect. . . . . just the same, worst, or better? Thanks.

Frantzdy

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

you cannot go low if you run the sensatracs. They are "stock replacement" struts, designed to use with stock height coils.

 

[SHO_Driver]

Here's my current setup with Moog and Sensetracs all around. I've cut 1.5 coils from the front and 1 coil off the rears. As you can see I still have gap in the front. Some members have 2 coils cut in the front which I'll be trying soon.

The ride is still comfortable and slightly harsh on bad bumps but no one believes it when I state the springs are cut, it still rides well.

 

[shomesomesho]

I dont want to hijack this thread, but if the moog cc appear to be a higher spring rate than intrax
or eibachs, why arent more people using them in track cars ect...(not being nasty just
wondering) / but if you can cut the cargo coils to lower the car as much if not more than eibachs then what...

It's what I did for my autocross car: Moogs.

Why aren't more people using them? I really don't know. Perhaps they are not as well known or publicized as Eibachs or Intrax. Perhaps most people are discouraged by the need to cut them?

 

[keny_kimmel]

Here's my current setup with Moog and Sensetracs all around. I've cut 1.5 coils from the front and 1 coil off the rears. As you can see I still have gap in the front. Some members have 2 coils cut in the front which I'll be trying soon.

The ride is still comfortable and slightly harsh on bad bumps but no one believes it when I state the springs are cut, it still rides well.

What size tires are you running? 45? 50?

 

[Mr95Gl]

Here's my current setup with Moog and Sensetracs all around. I've cut 1.5 coils from the front and 1 coil off the rears. As you can see I still have gap in the front. Some members have 2 coils cut in the front which I'll be trying soon.

The ride is still comfortable and slightly harsh on bad bumps but no one believes it when I state the springs are cut, it still rides well.

I'd definately be interested in seeing the results of that 2 coil cut. Ride quality especially.

 

[keny_kimmel]

You can always start with one coil, then go 1.5 and then 1.75 but you cant glue that thing back together. just like a haircut only this wont grow back

 

[SHO_Driver]

What size tires are you running? 45? 50?

The tires are 215/55/16 BF's on 16' Enkeis. There were slight rubbing issues on the rear wheelwells, so I trimmed them back when I was getting the bodywork done. No rubbing now even with 3 people in the back on tight turns.

 

[SHO_Driver]

I'd definately be interested in seeing the results of that 2 coil cut. Ride quality especially.

Yeah that should reduce the gap tho I'm happy with the current drop and ride quality given the low cost of the whole setup. The Sensetracs have held up for 20K so far without blowing.

 

[Mr95Gl]

Would it make any difference in cutting the fronts, and leaving the rears stock height? Or is it not recommended?

Frantzdy

 

[SolidState]

as I have said in this very thread....I wouldn't cut the rear springs if at all possible, as you can simply lower the strut in the knuckle with no ill-effect...

 

[keny_kimmel]

knuckle?

I don't mean to sound ignorant or stupid to you guys but please do correct me if I am wrong. The knuckle is the bottom piece where the break assembly is mounted to, correct? I'm thinking of that bottem bracket where it has two bolts holding that whole asssembly in place. My question is how much can you lower it in the knuckle? I heard it causes the CV's to have too much angle in them and it's horrible for them.

 

[keny_kimmel]

I read this post on the FAQ Lowering Concerns/Review and thought of some things. I'd like your input.

First, here's the setup I think I am going to settle with Koni's and Moog CC's. Second, from my understanding it should be fine to take out 1 coil in the rear and 1.5 in the front, correct? From what I read on that review was that you can not lower the strut too much, more like 1/4 - 3/4 of an inch. The rear of the car really has no gap, and with the 1 coil cut it should be fine, correct? Well if I cut 1.5 coils and lower the strut 1/4 it should be pretty good. Now, does anyone have any tips or knowlage about cutting the coils? I wanna do it right and not have to end up buying another set of springs.

 

[SHO_Driver]

Cutting one coil off the rear of a Gen I really drops it down over the tire. Gen II's seem to still have slight gap. Anyway to cut the spring I used a high speed grinder with a cutting disc. Took 20 seconds to cut off a coil and it did not heat up the whole coil, just the immediate cut off area. Others have used a dremel but it'll take much longer.

 

[ManySHOs]

To track a car you want it as low as you can get it to be quick.

That's only true up to a point. If it's too low you'll run into a lot of handling problems.

I'm all about quality products and I've ruled Eibachs out.

I believe that Eibach is an ISO 9002 company. I don't know of any issues with their quality. I've had their springs on my ex 94 atx and another set on my 93 mtx. My atx sat lower but that's because there's more weight up front and past the centerline of the front suspension.

Dispite what any of you may think I am going to run 225/60/16 Goodyears. I payed for em with my money so I intend to run those tires till they are at the wear-marks.

Understood; I'm just curious how 16" goodyears cost $800!?!

Think about YamahaSHO's car.

His sig pic? It looks good but it was photoshopped.

FWIW, I don't think that those of us with koni's can drop the front struts lower in the spindles unless we weld our inserts in. I believe that the bolt on the bottom of the housing will hit the CV joint.

After reading through this, I'm considering installing moogs with cut coils or just getting off my rump and installing my IPT coilovers...hmmm

Any pictures with front 500# 8" springs anybody? SHOaz?

Ian

 

[keny_kimmel]

Understood; I'm just curious how 16" goodyears cost $800!?!

My mistake on the details, the total came to $719.77 the tires were $142.90 each. Goodyear Tripletread Assurance. 4 tires x 142.90 = 571.60 + 89.95 (mounting, balancing, valve stems, tire disposal, life time crapola) = $661.55 + 58.22 tax comes to $719.77 so yes it was close to 800. Damn good tire though.

Another note on the tire, since they are wider it does prevent the wheel from ever hitting the curb. Around here if you are what seems to be even close to 12 inches away you get a ticket. So you have to be close enough so the parking braud cant put her tampon between the tire and the curb.

I talked to YamahaSHO and I saw the original pictures and his white and his red are pretty low and I am pleased with the results he had. Eibachs are nice but considering the fact that they bottom out a lot I'm not too happy with that. Intrax are still in my mind for the fact that they lower the car and do not require cutting but I am not sure of the bottoming out issue. Moogs are from what I hear terrific. The back of the car is not in my head at the moment as I am focussing on the front of the car and the gap.

I want subtle change to reduce the wheel gap but not slam the car and put huge strains on the cv joints or add too much camber. The steering system and suspension is enginered around the stock hight, you change the spring travel and the hight you change the entire geometry. The only efective way to lower a car honestly is raise the spindle, or knuckle. Unfortunatly you run into clearence problems with the springs so I'm and have been researching springs to get a good looking change without too much undercar abuse or wheel well/tire tare up.

 

[shoebilly]

I was speaking with a vendor I don't recall which, and he said this tokico strut P/N is discontinued. Can anyone add to that? These struts do fail.

 

[SolidState]

yes, this is true. Apparently the last run has been made.

However, they do have a lifetime warranty, and the inserts are replacable...

 

[SeanMc]

I was speaking with a vendor I don't recall which, and he said this tokico strut P/N is discontinued. Can anyone add to that? These struts do fail.

They will still honor their warranty, but they will send you an insert rather than the whole strut. I heard that their last run was 300.

 

[DHMag]

when referring to amount of drop, consider the original ride height. not all SHOs had the same springs. so a 2" drop to you may be a 1" drop to someone else.

i installed my cut Moogs (1.5 front/1 rear)and Tokicos 3 years ago and they are still very stiff. a few have reported problems of the springs unseating when the car is jacked up. mine have never unseated.

besides the performance of the Moogs, i can still load the car down with tools and not have the ass drag.