Baer 12.5" fits slicers.....NOT!

[GR8WYT]

An official apology to all of those who tried so hard to convince me that the brakes wouldn't fit.

I just got the Super Sport kit the other day and they don't fit, but not for the reason I suspected. The caliper fits behind the spokes, but it is too wide and hits the back of the wheel.
The template, which I downloaded from the Baer website, suggested they might not fit. I didn't trust the scale because I had to print it out and the printer does not reproduce with 100% accuracy. Now I know for sure.

I am happy with the purchase anyways, so now the great hunt is on for 17" wheels and tires.

 

[GR8WYT]

Oh and the previous picture was the result of a test fit. I have not put the brakes on the car yet...

 

[92sho16]

why dont you try putting some spacers on the car?

 

[GR8WYT]

I thought about that, but decided that I don't want to push the wheels any further out from the hub than necessary. There may still be an issue at the top of the caliper too that shimming might not correct.

There's some pretty sweet looking 17's out there; now just to decide which one.

 

[viperrt450]

Then you need to upgrade to 13" brakes haha. laughing

 

[SHO92]

Thats interesting. I wonder what the difference is between the kit directly from baer, and the one that SHO SHOP sold. My cousin has a 91 with the SS kit, and his slicers fit fine.

 

[speedy91]

I know my 12.5 Baer's fit under an open design 16" wheels, just not slicers. FYI.
Eric

 

[jedhead]

SHO92:
Thats interesting. I wonder what the difference is between the kit directly from baer, and the one that SHO SHOP sold. My cousin has a 91 with the SS kit, and his slicers fit fine.

Different version of the PBR caliper?

Bob

 

[Shoaz]

Interesting. My 12.5" Baer set is also sitting in the garage and I just confirmed this with a test fit in the slicers. It looks like it wouldn't take much of a spacer to make it work, although there really is very little clearance between the wheel and the caliper even with a spacer.

There are 16" wheels that do fit with the 12.5" Baers, like ROH Snypers, which look very good on a SHO (I just put mine on this morning).

I'm planning to keep my slicers mostly for doing alignments. My caster/camber tool fits nicely on the slicers but won't mount on the Snypers. cry

Looks like I'll also need a set of spacers for the front in order to make the camber tool work, but that's not too big of a deal just for doing alignments (I agree with you about worrying about running on spacers).

BTW, let me know if you're interested in two-piece rotors for this kit. I'm researching alternatives right now, having just taken all the measurements last night. I have no idea why Baer says their eradispeed system won't work on this kit. They indicated that there isn't enough clearance from the hat to the caliper, and all I can say is that they must make some really odd hats.

I also confirmed this morning that there's really no way to fit this kit on 94-95 knuckles without doing some major rework. The mounting ears on the 94-95 knuckles interfere with the caliper bracket on the PBR caliper in such a way that the bracket would almost have to be cut in two pieces to fit. The entire bracket assembly would have to be refabricated rather than just an adapter plate. cuss

 

[Todd TCE]

Ah, thoughts from the brake fit world. And you guys thought all this fit stuff was easy...lol.

The PBRs can be fit with minor wheel spacers from what I recall. OR, you can maybe shim the caliper inboard by fitting some 'proper' spacers under the mount of the caliper thus forcing it to run off center to the rotor. This'll get you about 1/16" at best however and may or may not work with all new pads.

No way on the later knuckles if you did an early kit as they are completely different on their mounts.

The two piece set up? Yup, been ther done that. Can't say for sure all of the Baer parts I've made up will cross to this ap, but I suspect it's close. However; cost is about $500 for a pair of rotors and the proper hats for them last time I did them.

 

[GR8WYT]

I talked to the folks at Baer about the fitment, more just to let them know what I had learned, and they said that SHO Shop had ground off the top of the caliper to make it fit under the slicers. Nice option, if you don't mind voiding the warranty. jpshakeh

Anyhow, because I am not a mechanic, and I am very conservative about futzing with brake hardware to get the stock slicers to fit, I'll go with a new set of wheels; more painless, but certainly not less expensive... *sigh*

 

[SolidState]

what about the rims off a g3 SHO? They might fit, and they look nice on a gen1....

 

[gosho89]

Good question! anyone have an answer if the brakes will fit under a Gen 3 wheel?

 

[Shoaz]

Anybody with a Gen III rim can download the templates from Baer's website and check the fit. It would be a nice alternative.

Is the offset the same on a Gen III rim and a slicer?

 

[Todd TCE]

Why don't you just bolt up the caliper, get a stack of 5/8 washers, put them on the wheel studs (say two each to start), place the wheel on and see what you have? Figure out how much room you need and then look for a small wheel spacer.

I can't say for sure but the amount can't be all that great. I know that Josh is working up some 3/8 ones for the Jr kit for stcck wheels and I bet that's more than you'd need. I'd guesss maybe 4-5mm (for you metric guys) or less than 1/4" wouold work. I can't imagine that SS took that much off the top of a caliper to make them clear.

Way cheaper and easier than changing wheels!

 

[GR8WYT]

Certainly worth looking into. Any ideas where I might find spacers that thin? Most of the ones I have seen are 1/2" thick or better.

 

[92sho16]

I once saw some 1/8 or 1/4 inch ones at pep boys. check autozone or napa probably too.

 

[RJ-92]

My buddy had the exact problem when he bought 15" wheels and tires for his Dodge 4x4 of another buddy. Nothing that can't be fixed with a belt sander. There is alot of extra materal on top of those calipers anyway.

 

[SHODOGG]

To be perfectly honest with you, I think you should just go with a set of 17's. I wasn't sure how great of an idea it was to purchase them at first, but once I got them on the car, well lets put it this way, I never want to put my slicers on again

 

[92sho16]

SHODOG220:
To be perfectly honest with you, I think you should just go with a set of 17's. I wasn't sure how great of an idea it was to purchase them at first, but once I got them on the car, well lets put it this way, I never want to put my slicers on again

I think everybody would agree and would be for 17s but i think theres one of two reasons why people dont. 1) they want to retain the stock looke or 2) dont have money for a set of 17s.