ATP Turbo upgrade help

[Foosie]

The upgrade kit came in today and I’m lost in where the new coolant line ties into that was sent with the kit, if anyone has them installed or has any pics of where the line goes from the turbo to where ever it’s fitted it would be greatly appreciated, do I cut the old coolant line and add this to the end of the cut? all I was given was a picture of the new line attached to the turbo for reference, pic attached

 

[Foosie]

I don't have the ATP but yes you do have to extend one coolant line and it should had been supplied from my own research. Beyond that I'm pretty useless sorry! Hopefully someone with them installed can get back to you

I’m just confused as to why it’s not an adapter to the already existing coolant line that needs to be extended, from what it looks like I need to cut a line and hose clamp the extension on, just wanted to confirm that before I go chopping coolant lines

 

[Jordan_R]

I’m just confused as to why it’s not an adapter to the already existing coolant line that needs to be extended, from what it looks like I need to cut a line and hose clamp the extension on, just wanted to confirm that before I go chopping coolant lines

From atp's site

 

[limited02]

Not to throw a wrench into your plans, but if you can return the ATP's and go with the GearHead turbos, would you consider that?

 

[Foosie]

Not to throw a wrench into your plans, but if you can return the ATP's and go with the GearHead turbos, would you consider that?

What are the benefits of going with gearhead over atp? I’m open to whichever will take my yacht the furthest

 

[mattr66]

What are the benefits of going with gearhead over atp? I’m open to whichever will take my yacht the furthest

You building an engine? If not, the GH turbos will get you to the breaking point and not sacrifice any response.

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[76FoMoCo]

just did the GH turbos and a direct replacement with as much boost as the stock motor can take. the task is not an easy one. 14 hours and the first 8 i did need 2 people.

 

[802SHO]

And if you're greedy you can port the GH turbos. Doubtful I'll be needing any turbo replacement ...ever. Heck, Jordan is building his engine...keeping GH Turbos...so even with a built engine....you'll be able to go where the trans doesn't want to go.

 

[mattr66]

I dont think porting does much. I had a set extrude honed and it didn't make a whole lot of difference. Plus, it can mess up the wastegate function.

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[mattr66]

Did you have the manifolds ported also? I'm beginning to think after turbos are upgraded the exhaust side on the heads lacks flow

Still a tiny turbine and i have the better manifolds

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[802SHO]

I have 2013+ exhaust manifolds completely ported and port matched to turbo gasket and your turbos ported and port matched to turbo gasket. It rips at 16 psi. Feels like I'm at my 19 psi tune. Max Power Automotive did all the work if you forgot. And the exhaust manifolds are thermal coated

I asked about extrude honing, he didn't think anyone did that anymore and they don't. Made it sound ancient. Doubtful what I did and you did are anywhere near close to the same thing. So sorry yours didnt do add much for ya. Mine are night and day difference.

 

[Jordan_R]

Still a tiny turbine and i have the better manifolds

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That's exactly what I'm saying though. Even the 13+ manifolds have a ton of room for improvement. Mine have some pretty counter intuitive casting mistakes/dips you can feel. Feel like comparing extrude honed turbine to ported/matched housings and manifolds isn't a fair comparison.

 

[802SHO]

That's exactly what I'm saying though. Even the 13+ manifolds have a ton of room for improvement. Mine have some pretty counter intuitive casting mistakes/dips you can feel. Feel like comparing extrude honed turbine housings to ported/matched housings isn't a fair comparison.

I agree. I think Matt likes to throw wrenches of his opinion into data to mislead ppl intentionally to satisfy his ego. What bugs me is ppl will hang off is every word and he knows that...yet he will willingly say something without any data to back it up. Not a good combo.

 

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[mattr66]

I agree. I think Matt likes to throw wrenches of his opinion into data to mislead ppl intentionally to satisfy his ego. What bugs me is ppl will hang off is every word and he knows that...yet he will willingly say something without any data to back it up. Not a good combo.

You are way off base with the ego thing....

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[luigisho]

Someone with a non-escalating response. Nice to see new stuff around here now and again.

 

[mattr66]

So then you tell me how increasing the flow to the wastegate (what you basically did with the porting) helps flow more exhaust through the engine when you aren't increasing the total flow through the turbo. The wastegate is what is regulating the airflow out of the engine between both ported and unported scenarios. You modified nothing past the wastegate with your porting. Extrude hone does. See attached pictures. Your perceived power difference at 16 psi is real and it is because of the bigger turbines actually flowing more and dropping the pumping losses of the engine. Boost is simply a measurement of restriction on the inlet side of the engine. The same applies if you do cams and ported heads, you can make much more power at the same boost as stock as long as you can get it out of the other side. So there's a picture of my turbos before and after. Guess what, I increased the flow through the turbine but it only made 10 hp difference. It isn't worth it IMO.... There are the facts and it has nothing to do with EGO. I just don't like to see people wasting time and hurt gasket retention since Ford designed the ****** to have material smaller than the gasket to keep heat away from the gasket since the edge of the port runs the hottest.

 

[mattr66]

Also, I will add that you are dealing with supersonic airflow when it comes to exhaust. The things that apply at subsonic speeds (intake flow) don't always apply on the exhaust side of things. It is more about volume and shape rather than a smooth radius on subsonic that you can see on a flowbench. There are magical things that happen at boundary layers when dealing with supersonic flows that defy the rules compared to laminar flow and other subsonic airflow traits. I agree with you on the later manifolds. Mine were pretty nice and only needed a little cleanup. Always leave at least 1/8 inch of "meat" around the gasket opening on the manifolds and turbos for gasket retention. The raptors even had issues with that, so the 18+ raptor turbos have a machined grove and a gasket that can't possibly blow out because of the positive retention.

 

[802SHO]

That sounds really good. Don't talk to me about what you think. If you don't know then say so. You DONT KNOW that my ported GH Turbos are less powerful than your extrude honed ones. Like the CNC heads you tried to copy based solely off a picture and caused a customer to lose 80 hp. So there's a massive discrepancy between what you think and what is in fact what. For you to in fact know you would need my turbos to prove it. Not solely your educated opinion. And I'm comparing 19 psi with unported GH Turbos and stock 2010 manifolds to 16 psi ported GH Turbos and 14 ported exhaust manifolds. I increased the turbine? You know for a fact I hurt gasket retention....how could you? You don't bc you didn't inspect them when they were completed. You're just assuming. Making comments based off something you've heard before. So now you work directly with Ford?

Don't act like youre the end all, be all on everything good and everything worth it or not. For the blind...yeah you can lead them. But not someone like me with their eyes open.

I love the products you make. On a personal note, not so much.

Like pretending you can't read a datalog when I shared my 36 hour front mount to your 2 years in development direct fit IC. Meth throws a wrench the data...not really...not before WOT...and certainly not when meth was used in both tests. Another thing...you're a tuner. You made it sound like it would be hard to know how to read a data log with meth being sprayed....frightening for all your meth tuned customers.

 

[mattr66]

What heads are you talking about? Now i'm completely lost.....