esfoad
Esfoad
I have heard that the 2015 may be based on a stretched Fusion chassis. Wondering if I should look at the 2014s or wait for the updated 2015. Thoughts?
Any recent news on what the 2015 SHO will be?
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LotusDriver
SHO Member
I'm on the fence about that as well. I am also thinking of waiting for the new Buick GN and GNX's to arrive. GNX is supposed to be an awd sedan with 425hp V6. Not sure what to do, kind of in limbo!
markathome
2010 SHO
Yep, cinnamon is a rare color. Only 199 were built in 2010, and only for MY 2010, no other year for the SHO.
My guess is that Ford will address the relatively cramped interior. The Taurus was Alan Mulally's 'halo' car, so, I suspect Ford will pull out all the stops, especially with Chevy knocking on the door with the new SS and new Impala.
Hopefully, the SHO will continue, be more exclusive and have increased OEM HP (without an aftermarket tune).
My guess is that Ford will address the relatively cramped interior. The Taurus was Alan Mulally's 'halo' car, so, I suspect Ford will pull out all the stops, especially with Chevy knocking on the door with the new SS and new Impala.
Hopefully, the SHO will continue, be more exclusive and have increased OEM HP (without an aftermarket tune).
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Phoenix
SHOHOLIC
drop the autotragic
kgupton123456
Active Member
esfoad
Esfoad
It' s hard to find any info on the plans for the Taurus. Thanks for posting these links, sketchy as they are. I am very interested in the new Chevy SS but I love my SHO. So the question is do I wait or move on the SS. It's probably a good bet that the new SS will keep value based on exclusivity but 17 mpg average is hard to take when I'm used to 21+ with the SHO and I'm still doing 18-20000 miles per year. I will keep looking for any info on the changes and then make a decision in 4-6 months. By then we should know more on any potential changes to the SHO.
RealityCheck
Member
I suspect you are correct that the SS will hold its value better. Back in the 90s, used SHOs dropped in value as quickly as another any other car, but the Impala SS seemed to barely depreciate at all. A friend of mine bought a '94 SS new and sold it a couple of years later for only $1,000 or so less than he paid for it new. The SS badge has a long, well established history, the SHO, not so much.
That being said, I just bought a 2014 PP SHO, which replaced my low mileage (15K) 2011 PP SHO. I buy a lot of new cars and have never purchased the same car twice, which says a lot about how I feel about the current generation SHO. This current gen SHO just hits a sweet spot for me that the new SS doesn't and the re-designed SHO probably won't either. I love the massively torquey engine, the AWD, the tall profile/high ride height, and giant trunk.
Based on what I've read so far, the new SS is unquestionably a better car for what most people think they need/want. However, no AWD is a show stopper for me and it has nothing to do with foul weather capability. I've had quite a few high performance RWD cars and know my limitations. Even on dry pavement, a high HP RWD car either needs to be in full nanny-control mode or the driver really needs to know what they're doing. I've owned a Z06 and an 6.0 GTO, and both were prone to the rear tires going up in smoke on dry, clean pavement. As a point of reference, I was at the local dragstrip a couple of years ago on hot, humid summer night. There were a bunch a G8 GTs, a G8 GXP (6-speed manual), and a few hemi Chargers in attendance. My tune-only '11 SHO ran very consistent times that were a couple of 10ths quicker (but several mph slower) than the GXP. I was .7-.8 quicker than the G8 GTs, and .9-1.1 quicker than the hemi Chargers (I was several miles per hour faster as well). Their times were all over he map due to traction, and this was a relatively well controlled track environment. On the street, it would have gone even worse for them.
There's also no question that the RWD SS handles better than the higher center-of-gravity, FWD-based SHO, but really, anyone who is exceeding a PP SHO's handling envelope on public roads isn't going to have a driver's license very long. It's like comparing a car with a 200mph top speed vs one with a 150mph top speed. Who cares? It's simply a stat with no real world applicability.
I guess in the end, it comes down to this: the SS is a better performance car out of the box, but it's questionable whether said performance is usable in the real world. The SS will almost certainly hold its value better, but I can almost guarantee that there will be no discounts off MSRP (in fact, they will probably be marked up significantly), while fully loaded SHOs can be found at huge discounts off of MSRP. In fact, I suspect most SSs will go out the door for 10-15K more than a loaded PP SHO. I'd also be willing to bet that a new SS is going to cost in the ball park of a low mileage used CTS-V - which is much, much faster and will suffer negligible depreciation.
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SDSHO13
New Member
With regard to the Chevy SS, GM just announced they are ceasing production of all Holden automobiles, in 2017. The SS will become another GM orphan. GM also announced they are looking at renaming the Holden dealerships, in Australia, as Chevrolet and selling cars imported from other markets.
esfoad
Esfoad
I also read about the shutdown of manufacturing in Oz but the Camaro uses a similar chassis and I would hope that GM will move prodution of the SS to NA if it's a sales success.
GarysSHO
New Member
I guess you can count on the SS being pretty good then. The General's MO seems to be "get it right, then **** it." I'm still a little sad that Pontiac is gone and Saturn was finally putting out something I might have considered for the wife in the Astra and/or Aura.
black99lightnin
I am Legend
The SS while being a great car will suffer from the same issues GTO's and G8's do. Any parts specific to these cars has to come from Australia. The SS will be even worse as they are predicting sales to be very low.
Regarding the demise of the Holden cars, this is the same fate as Ford Australia. We'd **** for a RWD supercharged 5.0 Falcon. But since Toyota/Nissan have come to the Aussies market it has killed their domestic vehicles. Kind of what happened here in the 80's-90's. Only now has the domestics started building cars that are comparable and can beat their imported counterparts.
Regarding the demise of the Holden cars, this is the same fate as Ford Australia. We'd **** for a RWD supercharged 5.0 Falcon. But since Toyota/Nissan have come to the Aussies market it has killed their domestic vehicles. Kind of what happened here in the 80's-90's. Only now has the domestics started building cars that are comparable and can beat their imported counterparts.
The new SS is nothing more than a redesigned Pontiac G8 GXP. The body's been tweaked, and the horsepower's been lowered (probably because Chevy had to do *something* to get that monster to meet emissions)...it just isn't as good as the G8 that GM killed in order to survive at the corporate level.
I'll admit, the thing's got horsepower for days---could easily trump a SHO. But the gas mileage sucks, and GM's business model is obviously founded on black magic and gov't handouts---which means that everytime Obama gets dyspepsia, GM execs get nervous and find a car line to ****. I never cared that much about Saturn---they'd become too much like Chevy by the time they died. And Hummer should never have really been a civilian car line in the first place. But killing Pontiac---well, that pretty much destroyed my enthusiasm for anything GM.
I find it interesting that they're doing this now---I view it as an Eddie Haskell-style apology for the destruction of Pontiac. (If you don't know who Eddie Haskell is, you're too young...sorry.)
I guess the bottom line of all my rambling is---hang on to your SHO. The durability of these Ecoboost engines has already been proven, and---I guess---the AWD drivetrain has too. I personally want to make RGNBULL a quarter-million mile car.
I'll admit, the thing's got horsepower for days---could easily trump a SHO. But the gas mileage sucks, and GM's business model is obviously founded on black magic and gov't handouts---which means that everytime Obama gets dyspepsia, GM execs get nervous and find a car line to ****. I never cared that much about Saturn---they'd become too much like Chevy by the time they died. And Hummer should never have really been a civilian car line in the first place. But killing Pontiac---well, that pretty much destroyed my enthusiasm for anything GM.
I find it interesting that they're doing this now---I view it as an Eddie Haskell-style apology for the destruction of Pontiac. (If you don't know who Eddie Haskell is, you're too young...sorry.)
I guess the bottom line of all my rambling is---hang on to your SHO. The durability of these Ecoboost engines has already been proven, and---I guess---the AWD drivetrain has too. I personally want to make RGNBULL a quarter-million mile car.
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I dunno about that...certainly I would agree that Tauruses (Tauri?) in general don't hold value. But most of them are staid grocery-getter types that serve useful service lives and then go to the junkyard when that's over, then to the crusher or smelter. I will also concede that the SS badge has been around longer...but that doesn't necessarily make it better. (Anybody remember the Lumina SS in the '90s? Or that Monte Carlo-Dale Earnhardt wanna-be SS in the early 00's?)
But SHO's, by contrast, seem to hold on a little better. There aren't many of them on the used market---because folks like us tend to hang on to them. The SHO is better than the average Taurus; more power, more options, the perfect compromise car for guys like me who are A) too old and burdened with responsibility to have a Mustang, but B) still want the performance. As I joked with the dealer the day I went to pick up RGNBULL---"The heated seats, the GPS, the big trunk, the whoop-de-do climate control---that's all for Momma and the lil' girl. The 365-horse twin-turbo V-6 and the AWD? That's for me."
I'd take a SHO abandoned in the weeds before I'd take a new SS...
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esfoad
Esfoad
I'm still somewhat conflicted. I really love the SHO, in fact this is my second SHO. I had a 1989 first gen Sho for 150K miles and I always said I'd buy American again when they made something interesting. The 2010 SHO was that car and I do not regret that purchase one bit. However, that said, we also have a 2009 Vette that has the LS3 and we really love the sound and the instant torque. Oh well, no decision on this until Ford announces the next SHO, I've always loved them and the AWD is a real help here in the NE.
EcoBrick Bob
SHO Member
Dealer in Miami, actually 2 dealers are discounting SS's.
Down here, they seem to be available in various colors with black, red & white being most common. In midwest, I did a search and almost all were black.
I have strongly considered one, as I love my 2 G8 GT's. However, I started thinking about all the little mods that add up to several thousand $$$. Still get comments weekly on how good they look. Both have staggered wheel setups and Holden badges.
With the 08' still under 25K and the 09' around 28K, they are hardly broken in. I actually paid $28,200. ( on the road- all taxes included) for the 09' GT sport package ( no sunroof) which had a retail of $33,200. BPD beat me when we raced at Brainerd strip, but track wasn't prepped and I couldn't get traction. Had to start with T/C on and still spun wildly. Beat every other SHO and GXP G8, Mustang Boss 302 (4 times). Only other vehicle I couldn't beat was a new CTS-V which had headers and a tune. Had I been running Drag Radials, it might have turned out differently.
Down here, they seem to be available in various colors with black, red & white being most common. In midwest, I did a search and almost all were black.
I have strongly considered one, as I love my 2 G8 GT's. However, I started thinking about all the little mods that add up to several thousand $$$. Still get comments weekly on how good they look. Both have staggered wheel setups and Holden badges.
With the 08' still under 25K and the 09' around 28K, they are hardly broken in. I actually paid $28,200. ( on the road- all taxes included) for the 09' GT sport package ( no sunroof) which had a retail of $33,200. BPD beat me when we raced at Brainerd strip, but track wasn't prepped and I couldn't get traction. Had to start with T/C on and still spun wildly. Beat every other SHO and GXP G8, Mustang Boss 302 (4 times). Only other vehicle I couldn't beat was a new CTS-V which had headers and a tune. Had I been running Drag Radials, it might have turned out differently.
esfoad
Esfoad
EBB, every time you talk about your G8's I get jealous. Up here in NJ there only seems to be black SS's so far. Not my first choice, I may prefer white or red, but my dealer still has the first one they received so it may be a buyer's market soon. We shall see.
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