An email I received from Chris Davey (BittersweetSHO)

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need i say that the proper way to concentrate on paying debts is to concentrate on making money any legal way u can ?

this includes creating a website for profit, and doing automotive repairs / mods for profit

Or working a JOB and extra hours to actually EARN money to pay these debts off instead of taking a risk building new business that may also fail. Hard to be a mechanic for someone in TX when you live in CT. Building new parts for someone else is money he could use to pay others back, or get others the parts he owes them.
 

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Chris you REALLY need to contact Jay. As he said his number is the same, you overly screwed this guy and I am surprised he has been kind enough not to take major action against you.

Im too nice thats my problem. We used to hang out sometimes, him and I.. youd like to think you dont have to write out a receipt, and sign signatures when you do deals with so called friends. Shit happens I guess. I was actually over it until this thread came up. This is why Im taking a break from the forum for a while. Every time I put energy into this it costs me more. Im not gonna chase the guy for a few hundred dollars.

Not for nothing Mr. Chris, I wouldve never gave you the car up front in the first place. I needed it gone, and you took advantage of me.. Which is fine. I wish you the best in the future. Good luck! Im glad your willing to clear all of this mess up, good for you. Ill see you in Lebanon :thumb:

-Jay
 
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That sucks Jay, but hang in there. Hopefully Chris will respond either here or via email. If nothing else but to apologize and make an attempt to make things right with you.

Common' Chris, I know you've read the thread. You've gone as far as making contact through me, why not come out of the closet and at least acknowledge Jay publicly. It is, after all, the right thing to do.
 

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And Please set the record strait.... when things hit the fan on the Port and Polish deal i was clean out, i got it through the grape vine i screwed every one on that... when i clearly backed out after that group buy when i did about 15 sets for you.
 

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Or working a JOB and extra hours to actually EARN money to pay these debts off instead of taking a risk building new business that may also fail. Hard to be a mechanic for someone in TX when you live in CT. Building new parts for someone else is money he could use to pay others back, or get others the parts he owes them.

you make it sound like building parts isnt a job

you make it sould like selling the parts wont be profitable

you make it sound like its inpossible to do stuff for people across state lines

your argument is full of flaws

so lets say someone calls him and wants a set of BBB's .. your aying he SHOULDNT take the job becuase even though its $30 in supplies that will net him $200 in profits ..its a bad idea because that $30 should be sent to someone he owes?

wtf do you think the $200 profit would be ?

(in case you need help: $30 for 6 people and $20 for someone else)
 

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you make it sound like building parts isnt a job

you make it sould like selling the parts wont be profitable

you make it sound like its inpossible to do stuff for people across state lines

your argument is full of flaws

so lets say someone calls him and wants a set of BBB's .. your aying he SHOULDNT take the job becuase even though its $30 in supplies that will net him $200 in profits ..its a bad idea because that $30 should be sent to someone he owes?

wtf do you think the $200 profit would be ?

(in case you need help: $30 for 6 people and $20 for someone else)

No actually, my argument makes perfect sense.

Building parts - as a side job, sure as a JOB ... he tried that, remember, he failed miserably.

Selling parts - Do these parts already exist? If so, why were they not sent to those who already paid for them? Is it ok to sell someone something, NOT send it, NOT refund the money and sell the SAME EXACT item to someone else so you can get your head above water? If they are parts he has yet to build, why can't he build these parts for the people who already PAID HIM?

Your example - where is the set he owes someone else? Is it a 200 dollar profit really, or is it a POTENTIAL profit.

Point is, he has proved, 100% that he cannot run a successful business. He is NOT a good businessman, his reputation is proof alone of that. If he wants to do these things on the SIDE while he works a REGULAR job with a STEADY income to take care of the CUSTOMERS he already SCREWED, fine. To say to these people ... "I'll get you your parts or money as soon as my new business ventures take off".

Yeah, must be nice living in Never Never Land, maybe I'll come visit you sometime when I need a break from reality.

OH, and by the by there Shirley, maybe you should spend more time reading some grammar and spelling books instead of questioning people who majored for a bit in accounting and finance on basic mathematics. In case you need help, here is what you meant to say:

Shirley said:
You make it sound like building parts isn't a job.

You make it sound like selling the parts wont be profitable.

You make it sound like its impossible to do stuff for people across state lines.

Your argument is full of flaws.

So lets say someone calls him and wants a set of BBB's ... your saying he SHOULDN'T take the job because even though its $30 in supplies that will net him $200 in profits ... its a bad idea because that $30 should be sent to someone he owes?

wtf do you think the $200 profit would be ?

(in case you need help: $30 for 6 people and $20 for someone else)

:type:
 

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no. anyway you cut it he needs $ to settle up with past customers

if that means building new parts for new customers so he can settle up with old customers , then so be it. the only thing is he has to be responsible enough to make sure any new profits go towards fixing the past

just because his businesse failed doesnt mean that he shouldnt be allowed to touch cars for profit anymore

instead of questioning people who majored for a bit in accounting and finance on basic mathematics.

majored FOR A BIT :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

do they give you a PIECE of your degree for doing a BIT of the course ?
 

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And Please set the record strait.... when things hit the fan on the Port and Polish deal i was clean out, i got it through the grape vine i screwed every one on that... when i clearly backed out after that group buy when i did about 15 sets for you.

thats bull and you know it. there was no indication that you had pulled out or backed out. you had taken my money the day after i sent it when you said you wouldnt' accept any payments until you started the work. I got excuse after excuse up until recently still, and FINALLY recieved a refund this week.
 

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thats bull and you know it. there was no indication that you had pulled out or backed out. you had taken my money the day after i sent it when you said you wouldnt' accept any payments until you started the work. I got excuse after excuse up until recently still, and FINALLY recieved a refund this week.



That group buy was MINE.. Not under Bittersweetsho, After i cut him off on them due me loosing money on them, he still sold them and wanted me to do them.
 
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I just read this post. I didn't think i could access this section. Tauruswithheart send me an email. Greenbean check your emails.


Jay you're making it sound like you always helped me out and i never did anything for you. You also make it sound like i took the car and ran with it. We made a deal if i gave you a set of 42lb injectors and a set of SFC's i would be even with the car. I took the car and mailed you a set of 42lb injectors. A few weeks later i told you i had the SFC's and you said that you no longer wanted them, and that the injectors i had were used and you wanted $200 more dollars. Even though i rightfully could have given you the SFC's and said that was the deal and it's done, i said i would pay you the $200 but at that point i was having problems and would get it to you when i could. My phone broke, and i stopped posting on the forum for a long time, eventually got banned, and i never heard from you (in all honesty i forgot until i read how heated you were). Dude i took a non running SHO from your house that you were going to junk bc you couldn't keep it any longer. If you want the car it still doesn't run, because it needed a lot more than the CPS you said you were positive it needed to run, and it didn't have all the new parts on it that you said it did. If you want to come get it running with me i'll give you 25% of what i get for it, which will be a lot more than the $200 you want. I always though you were a cool guy and liked chilling with you. Check your P.M's i send you my #. I'm not trying to flame you in any way in what i wrote above, but i want my side of the story to be heard.

I know i F'd a lot of orders and i'm back on track with the exception of the 2 above mentioned, and 2 others, but that doesn't mean i'm going to take a verbal lashing from people who have no right. I never did any business with you RDCALL and you are the most heated out of anyone. I'm not sure if you're just one of jay's friends and you're ****** about that situation, but that situation has nothing to do with you. Read what i wrote above. That's the god's honest truth.


Beth thank you for giving me the chance to rectify things, and thanks mods. I know i may have been a dick in the past to you and i now realize why you guys were busting down on me. Keep up the good work over here guys, and when i tie up the loose ends i hope to keep the SHOs on the road:thumb:
 

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Jay scratch the p.m part bc i don't think i can P.M and you helping me with the SHO ( i didn't realize that you moved to FL). Email me your phone # and i will make things right.
 

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I didn't want to get into any future plans until i was squared up with everyone but i do plan on offering a couple forms of forced induction:)
 

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Ok. Before I say anything about the situation, I want you to know that putting you out there was the last thing I wanted to do. Its our problem, not anyone elses. I discussed it with Beth before I even posted anything, and let her know that it wasnt true when you said you paid your debts, and you were straight with everyone. She insisted I post it up there. I didnt want to say anything else about it but of course when I read that Im gonna call you out on it. Its kinda corny all this has to go on, on the intenet, but how the F am I supposed to reach you anymore? You havent answered your phone in 10 months, and I live 1500 miles away now.

I have ragged on you here before, but that was simply because 1. You didnt keep your word with me. (where we're from, that means everything) 2. Someone on the forum emailed me a link to an Ebay ad OF MY CAR on your ebay account. You didnt even pay me yet!! Thats a real kick in the ass considering i gave you that car for pennies. That was the same day you sent me USED injectors when the deal was they were supposed to be NEW. When i called you, you insisted that they indeed were new, and the dirt and grime imbedded in them was from flow testing.
Even though i rightfully could have given you the SFC's and said that was the deal and it's done, i said i would pay you the $200 but at that point i was having problems and would get it to you when i could.
********. You broke the deal when you sent me used injectors. If I wanted to be the technical business-man about it I wouldve taken the hour and 1/2 drive and took my clean, 80k orig mile, optionless, 95 MTX back from you ,and put it in storage until I had time to tend to it.. FYI, I had to go out and have them re-tested... O yea! they were definitly used.. Thats why i told you forget it on the SFC's, I didnt want anymore used stuff showing up at my door.
At that point I said, OK... Just pay me the 250 you owe me (dont forget about the 2 intake cores I gave you) and Ill eat the $ from the SFC's. I told myself Id never do business with you again, but that didnt mean I was going to try to fight you or anything. I swear to you Ive smacked people for so much less. I woulda still came down and had a few beers. It was no big deal as long as you gave me the difference. i dont nickel and dime you know that. You told me you were hurtin. So I gave you 2 months to get back on your feet. not for anything, noone else woudve done that for you after you screwed me.

But besides all that. I still dont have my money. And I gave you that car for a STEAL. I make it seem like you ran with it.. You pretty much did!! I always hook my friends up, hoping to know that when Im in a jam Ill be taken care of. You were on ebay selling all this different stuff, and you never took care of me. Put yourself in my shoes. I was a 15 minute drive away.

If you want the car it still doesn't run, because it needed a lot more than the CPS you said you were positive it needed to run, and it didn't have all the new parts on it that you said it did. If you want to come get it running with me i'll give you 25% of what i get for it, which will be a lot more than the $200 you want. I always though you were a cool guy and liked chilling with you. Check your P.M's i send you my #. I'm not trying to flame you in any way in what i wrote above, but i want my side of the story to be heard.

How do you figure that. Theres a butchered fuel door with a new pump underneath, and all the old injector seals were left in the car. Thats what I said was replaced in trying to get it running, and thats the truth. Thats besides the point though, thats a nice car. Id like to get on the phone or meet to talk about this. Im flying to Boston tonight. Ill be in RI/NY all week, but Im not sure Ill be able to make it to north CT. Id like to resolve this the right way and put all of this behind us. Ill email you my phone # now.

Jay
 

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Ok. I swear to you Ive smacked people for so much less.

That's true. Jay roughed me up pretty bad once, just for forgetting to take the paper off his burger before I grilled it up and gave it to him. (I may have been drinking) I still cringe every time I have to man the grill... :biggrin:

Chris good to see you back, and communicating with everyone. FWIW there is a breakfast in Walpole this coming Saturday (07JUL) at 0900 followed by either an Auto-X or the Summer Nationals. It'd be good to see you there. :thumb:
 

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