Air filters...

[Ecoboost_xsport]

So I've got an AirAid CAI...I really like it, but I'm also aware of the nature of CAIs and their increase in performance may or may not be as grand as they are advertised. Despite knowing that, I ran it anyway. Ya know, it looks cool ,LOL

Anyway, I've recently been a bit concerned about the hot air it is bringing in from the engine and I was doing some mind exercises on ways to isolate it further from the engine and make it more of a TRUE CAI. Basically was thinking of having a friend of mine make a cover and basically encapsulate it completely with only the air scoop bringing in air. But then I thought further...the factory box is ALREADY sealed up like that....

So, back to square one...you guys feel dropping in a K&N air filter into a stock air box is as good as the AirAid? I'm aware of the the "feeling" folks have but I'm wondering about ways to actually figure out how much more air that AirAid brings in (if at all) and at what temps that air is coming in at, vs a stock box with K&N.

One of the reasons for my other post asking about the PIDs..looking for volume as well as temp of air so I can try some side by side comparisons and get some hard data...

 

[SM105K]

So I've got an AirAid CAI...I really like it, but I'm also aware of the nature of CAIs and their increase in performance may or may not be as grand as they are advertised. Despite knowing that, I ran it anyway. Ya know, it looks cool ,LOL

Anyway, I've recently been a bit concerned about the hot air it is bringing in from the engine and I was doing some mind exercises on ways to isolate it further from the engine and make it more of a TRUE CAI. Basically was thinking of having a friend of mine make a cover and basically encapsulate it completely with only the air scoop bringing in air. But then I thought further...the factory box is ALREADY sealed up like that....

So, back to square one...you guys feel dropping in a K&N air filter into a stock air box is as good as the AirAid? I'm aware of the the "feeling" folks have but I'm wondering about ways to actually figure out how much more air that AirAid brings in (if at all) and at what temps that air is coming in at, vs a stock box with K&N.

One of the reasons for my other post asking about the PIDs..looking for volume as well as temp of air so I can try some side by side comparisons and get some hard data...

I have seen that the stock air box with a drop in K&N is the best for stock turbos. However, with upgraded turbos the EPP Dual Intake is the best for that application. After watching the Banks series I still have serious concerns for any intake that is not enclosed and exposed to engine compartment heat.

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

Lol, you're reading my mind...i finally got my formulas in Torque to give me AAD, MAD, and BAD and wanted to see how things would change those values based on either switching to stock filter with K&N drop in or having a cover made for the AirAid setup....

 

[SM105K]

Lol, you're reading my mind...i finally got my formulas in Torque to give me AAD, MAD, and BAD and wanted to see how things would change those values based on either switching to stock filter with K&N drop in or having a cover made for the AirAid setup....

I think it will be a good test. I know @FiveLeeter918 has some data he might be willing to share.

 

[FiveLeeter918]

Not on my tuning laptop at the moment, but this is an IAT2 comparison between the Airaid and the EPP.

Airaid had the pool noodle mod, the EPP used the weatherstripping stolen from the J2 Fab pos I had first.

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

Very interesting. I'm likely going to stick with the AirAid, but have a cover made that I will insulate, so that the only air coming into the filter is from the front scoop. After reading that Banks article, it got me wondering why we are sucking any kind of air in from the engine bay. Those weather stripping or pool noodle fixes are not ideal and a true, enclosed box would likely be better, even for the EPP...

But I'm really interested in those air density values. @FiveLeeter918 , if you have more data from those datalog runs other than IAT2, we could figure out some other important data as well. Although the temps are important, the "quality" of that air is important as well.

The awesome thing about those density values like Boost Air Density is that it's easier to make an apples to apples comparison, even under different test conditions. I'd be interested to see a similar test done with a stock airbox with a K&N drop in just for comparisons sake.

As for the EPP, I personally can't use it as I have ATP turbos, which we discovered have a larger compressor inlet diameter. I spoke with Bambic about it and because that front turbo inlet makes a hard 90, the silicon coupling doesn't exist for this application. He could have them created, but the minimum order exceeds any amount of demand that currently exists. Tbh, one of the things I don't like about the EPP is how the box is metal and is heavier as well. I want to believe, if I can get that AirAid sealed off better, that it can deliver cooler IATs, but that remains to be seen...

 

[High on Ethanol]

Slap a K&N filter in a stock box, slap a steak on the grille, slap a tute, and slap the rest of the money saved in your pocket.

If you want to waste money, im selling used underwear mods.

 

[SHOthyme]

This enclosed CAI was what I put on my GTP CompG, I thought it was weird that this many years later on the SHO platform, they don't have something similar. It seems like a slam dunk for someone that is somewhat mechanically inclined.

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

Slap a K&N filter in a stock box, slap a steak on the grille, slap a tute, and slap the rest of the money saved in your pocket.

If you want to waste money, im selling used underwear mods.

That's what I'm curious about. Its definitely an option for me. But I'd like hard data on it's performance vs what's out there and what I already have. I'd do that in a heartbeat if I can see something verifying some numbers.

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

This enclosed CAI was what I put on my GTP CompG, I thought it was weird that this many years later on the SHO platform, they don't have something similar. It seems like a slam dunk for someone that is somewhat mechanically inclined.

Yeah, I was at Ford the other day and saw the Roush F150 in the showroom and the CAI is enclosed like that with a cool plexiglass window, haha

 

[limited02]

I like what @Wsho is doing:
https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/dual-lightweight-air-box.141010/

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

I like what @Wsho is doing:
https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/dual-lightweight-air-box.141010/

Yup, been by his place..he's got some cool plastic molding things going on. Unfortunately, it's for the EPP and not the AirAid.

 

[SM105K]

Yup, been by his place..he's got some cool plastic molding things going on. Unfortunately, it's for the EPP and not the AirAid.

Bet that could still be mocked up for an Airaid.....

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

Bet that could still be mocked up for an Airaid.....

Tried....its not very similar...

 

[SM105K]

Tried....its not very similar...

Could he make a box and you cut the hole?

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

I'll have a chat with him to see what we can do. But I do have a contingency in case his setup doesn't work for me. I'd like to nail down some of this data before I start spending a bunch of time and money on this though.

 

[SM105K]

I'll have a chat with him to see what we can do. But I do have a contingency in case his setup doesn't work for me. I'd like to nail down some of this data before I start spending a bunch of time and money on this though.

I think the data will support our assumptions about isolating the filter from the engine compartment heat while utilizing the stock ram air set up.

 

[Wsho]

Just chatted a half hour ago we discussed it and we have a plan will be knocking it out in the next week or two.

 

[BoSHO]

That's what I'm curious about. Its definitely an option for me. But I'd like hard data on it's performance vs what's out there and what I already have. I'd do that in a heartbeat if I can see something verifying some numbers.

Ecoboost_xsport, I've installed a K&N CAI and Hi-Flow Air Filter on my 2016 to complement the straight-pipe exhaust setup; content at the moment......maybe a tune later.

Anyway, compared to what it felt like driving it bone stock for a few months, regarding additional power, ride, and handling, I'd say the gains are as advertised. About 13 HP / 12 ft. lb. according to K&N's attach dyno run on a '13 Explorer Sport.

Combined with the lowering springs it's more than just more oomph. Yes, still a big, heavy beast, but noticeably lot tamer and more compliant.

Of course, the ($50) drop-in hi-flow filter comes with the CAI order ($290), so for just under 3 Bills and a 1-1.5 hour installation.........well worth it with some other complementary mods.

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

Ecoboost_xsport, I've installed a K&N CAI and Hi-Flow Air Filter on my 2016 to complement the straight-pipe exhaust setup; content at the moment......maybe a tune later.

Anyway, compared to what it felt like driving it bone stock for a few months, regarding additional power, ride, and handling, I'd say the gains are as advertised. About 13 HP / 12 ft. lb. according to K&N's attach dyno run on a '13 Explorer Sport.

Combined with the lowering springs it's more than just more oomph. Yes, still a big, heavy beast, but noticeably lot tamer and more compliant.

Of course, the ($50) drop-in hi-flow filter comes with the CAI order ($290), so for just under 3 Bills and a 1-1.5 hour installation.........well worth it with some other complementary mods.

Yeah, I never, ever, ever listen to product marketing put forth by the manufacturer in regards to air filters, there's just SOOOO much that can be attributed to that gain than just the filter. And tbh, I don't see a filter alone giving that much HP without a tune. Which leads me to my previous point of getting REAL data, which can be easily compared using the Boost Air Denisty value, the datalogging and calcs just need to be done to compare. I've already got a "CAI" setup with the AirAid system. It's not the filtration I'm concerned about as its more the isolation from the engine bay heat.

A K&N drop-in is more isolated than the AirAid by simply being enclosed in the stock airbox, and if it flows the same volume of air as the AirAid, i'd be better off just doing that then spending time and money creating a box-cover for the AirAid. And that was really the point of my discussion, seeing if anybody had some datalogging on the K&N drop in. Values needed to calc BAD (derived from Ambient Air Density and Manifold Air Density) are:

1) Ambient Air Temp at the time of the test (from the sensor, not the weatherman)
2) Barometric Pressure (from the sensor, not the weatherman)
3) IAT2
4) Manifold Absolute Pressure

And of course, since we have no way of getting relative humidity from the vehicle , all calcs are done assuming 0%